Cavaliers Offseason Thread

[LeShaq]

I'm pleased with how things are going. Delly back in the fold, Miller out (would have been fine if he stayed), Haywood out.

Left to sign:

- JR
- Tristan
- Kaun

Then we can go into training camp with a solid 14 man roster that could potentially add a SF/SG or big during the season, once teams settle into lottery mode.

I'd love to have 15 on the roster to start the year, but if Kyrie/Love/Andy are doing well with their rehabs, we probably don't really need it. And waiting for a good piece to shake free later (like in January) is probably the best move, anyways. Yeah, I know Windy said the TE's are for tax purposes, but I still figure we may be able to snag a good player later in the season that can help us out.

Pluto's recent piece was spot on. He said Miller was likely to be dealt, and it happened almost instantly.

 

[wuck]

Only because I dont know how it works I am going to ask this question. We traded our 2nd round pick and Brendon Haywood's contract to the Portland Trailblazer. The Trialblazers had LaMarus Aldridge before he went to the Spurs. So if the stars were aligned in our favor is it possible that we could have made a deal with the Trialblazers so that they do get the Heywood, Miller the 2 second Round Draft picks and we get Aldridge?

The Cavs are in a salary position where they cannot receive signed-and-traded players. So there is no way they could have obtained a free agent like Aldridge with their other big-ticket signings (Love/LeBron).
There's also the part about the Blazers wanting more compensation.

 

[ajz20]

Would love to have a someone who has seen Kaun play recently give us a more in depth scouting report. I posted a clip of him going one on one vs Mozgov from a few years ago, and he more then held his own. He looks like he enjoys physical play, and I think he is a good addition unless his play has deteriorated. If you have seen him play last year please chime in..

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Would love to have a someone who has seen Kaun play recently give us a more in depth scouting report. I posted a clip of him going one on one vs Mozgov from a few years ago, and he more then held his own. He looks like he enjoys physical play, and I think he is a good addition unless his play has deteriorated. If you have seen him play last year please chime in..

I agree with this. There seems to be this overwhelming belief around these parts that his game won't translate smoothly to the NBA and he'll be at best an emergency big/insurance policy. He's a 7-foot true center; if he has sound fundamentals and a decent skillset he should be at worst somebody who can give you a few quality minutes each night. I struggle to see how he'd be any worse than Perkins.

So does the lack of enthusiasm stem from an actual knowledge of his game, or the rather disconcerting bias against Euroleage players who haven't made the trip overseas yet?

 

[Green Lantern]

Windy said Cavs backed away from Joe Johnson deal..why should the Cavs add him when they already feel that when healthy they have the best team in the East and maybe the league?

I can think of several reasons. Simple fact #1 is what happened during the playoffs..injuries.
#2-I'm greedy..I want as much firepower as I can have on my team.
#3- I wanted a player who could spell Lebron and play a lot of minutes and Johnson is that type of player although older.
Who could defend (for any 10minute stretch) Irving/Johnson/Lebron/Love/Moz???

 

[Hydroponic3385]

That's probably more Windy's (off-base, as usual recently) opinion, rather than spot-on how the Cavs view the Joe Johnson situation.

If anything...I think the combo of Johnson's contract (and the ridiculous luxury tax situation as a result), having to trade an LBJ/fan favorite in Andy, Johnson's age, and the very real possibility that Johnson doesn't even end up being 1 of our top 5-6 players this season - all led to the Cavs declining that trade option. Especially months before the season even begins, when the Cavs may end up needing talent/depth at other positions than wing once the season begins and injuries occur down the road. Plus who knows exactly if the Nets were 100% in on making the trade?

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Part of me thinks it the media trying to make noise about the Cavs and go a little negative with them. This sets him up for future stories, of the Cavs could have made a trade for JJ to bad they did not, or Andy gets hurt, Cavs could have traded Andy and got David West and JJ.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Windy said Cavs backed away from Joe Johnson deal..why should the Cavs add him when they already feel that when healthy they have the best team in the East and maybe the league?

I can think of several reasons. Simple fact #1 is what happened during the playoffs..injuries.
#2-I'm greedy..I want as much firepower as I can have on my team.
#3- I wanted a player who could spell Lebron and play a lot of minutes and Johnson is that type of player although older.
Who could defend (for any 10minute stretch) Irving/Johnson/Lebron/Love/Moz???

#3 is definitely an issue. We relied on Marion/Miller last year and now another aged vet this year. Having a bonafide player to back-up LeBron is really the only thing missing from this team, IMHO.

Johnson may be an aged vet but I know he would be excellent in that roll.

Anyway, I hope we add that piece somewhere during the season with the TPE.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It actually makes more sense to do that deal closer to the deadline rather than before the season. We'll have a better idea of how the new additions fit in, what role that leaves for JJ, what injuries we've had, whether Kaun is a viable 4th big that lets us lose Andy, and the lower cost of only having JJ for half the season.

 

[Lee]

#3 is definitely an issue. We relied on Marion/Miller last year and now another aged vet this year. Having a bonafide player to back-up LeBron is really the only thing missing from this team, IMHO.

Johnson may be an aged vet but I know he would be excellent in that roll.

Anyway, I hope we add that piece somewhere during the season with the TPE.

Johnson and Jefferson are the same age. If Jefferson is an aged vet, so is Johnson.

I think Jefferson is the best aged vet backup sf so far of the 4 we have tried, but time will tell.

 

[Lee]

It actually makes more sense to do that deal closer to the deadline rather than before the season. We'll have a better idea of how the new additions fit in, what role that leaves for JJ, what injuries we've had, whether Kaun is a viable 4th big that lets us lose Andy, and the lower cost of only having JJ for half the season.

Cant combine the tpe with a player, so the deal is dead, don't have any way to take the salary back.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Johnson and Jefferson are the same age. If Jefferson is an aged vet, so is Johnson.

I think Jefferson is the best aged vet backup sf so far of the 4 we have tried, but time will tell.

Yes but Johnson is a much better player.

 

[CommD]

Henry Walker released by MIA. CLE should consider adding him as young-ish backup wing who can be had on vet minimum. Definite upgrade over Harris who could actually play if needed.

 

[Lee]

Yes but Johnson is a much better player.

That I will agree with, but worth the extra 24 million? That is the problem, it isn't monopoly money.

 

[Otsego Mar]

That I will agree with, but worth the extra 24 million? That is the problem, it isn't monopoly money.

Yes but it's not my rich man's money!

I wonder if Crawford is the guy we're looking at......not sure how thrilled I would be about that.