Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[godfather]

Listen, if he has truly turned a corner and. Is good for at least 15+ pts a night (I know he’s on a 20+ pt tear), the Cavs found themselves an excellent player at #8.
He can go off and will go off for 30+ next year. His assist #s will improve as the talent around him improves. He’s going to get a running mate in this draft. Dan will continue to dump money in this team.
Koby is doing his job. Hitting on back to back pick and maybe at 25 will be huge.

Yeah, I don't know if I buy this. You can't really teach this trait. And let's just be honest, he doesn't have it.

I agree it should improve, but never to the point you'd want to call him your point guard.

I like the idea of playing him at the two anyways. Don't try to mold him into something he's not..

He's not a point guard.

I stand by my original assessment. I see him as Lou Williams. I said that before, and people were acting like I was knocking him.

Lou Williams is a good player. So I'm saying I like Sexton, I just am willing to be honest and realistic about him at the same time.

 

[Alec]

I don’t see the issue. He’s not concerned with passing and is scoring efficiently. I’m sure that’s what he’s been instructed to do.

 

[2 For The Brew]

http://www.realcavsfans.com/communi...on-the-young-bull.49057/page-209#post-3214742

Hope the link works...

Yes the link works - that's my own post of a cbssports.com weekly feature. Collin ranking as the best rookie of the week was that columnist's opinion, not an official NBA award.

 

[Cavatt]

For all those complaining about Collin's assist numbers -- have you actually watched any games and seen the Cavaliers play? John Stockton would have trouble piling up assists with the likes of Clarkson, Knight, "Hands of Stone" Zizic, Chrisssssssss, Sauce Castillo and Nwaba.

Can't get assists with Love when he's working the ball inside like he's been doing.

Zizic gets passes from Sexton and then misses a layup.

On the Dallas feed last night they brought up an interesting stat -- Collin Sexton is the FIRST Cavalier rookie to score 20 points or more for five consecutive games: 27, 28, 26, 23, 28.

That's right -- Our #1 overall picks Austin Carr (60 pts in NCAA tournament game), Brad Daugherty (averaged 20 ppg for Dean Smith -- Jordan didn't), LeBron James and Kyrie Irving didn't score 20 ppg five games in a row their rookie seasons.

Here's a look at Collin last five games:

MPG FGA FGM 3PA 3PM FTA FTM REB AST TO PTS
34.42 11 17 3 5 2 2 0 6 7 27
36.15 10 18 4 7 4 4 4 5 0 28
35.24 11 20 4 7 0 0 2 1 0 26
38.49 7 16 2 7 7 8 4 3 4 23
38.22 10 17 7 7 4 5 3 4 0 31

36.42 9.8 17.6 4.0 6.6 3.4 3.8 2.6 3.8 2.2 27.0
55.7% 60.6% 89.5%

He's put these numbers up late in the season on an injury-depleted team.

The last five games were: At Miami, Toronto, At Philly, At Orlando, At Dallas. Four of five road games. The last four games were over six days. And he's a rookie whose already played twice as many games as he's every played in a season.

Now I realize a lot of people -- even on RCF -- are not watching the games. It's a shame, because this kid is worth watching. These late season games are a hell of a lot more important for the Cavaliers than last season's games at this point -- because the regular season didn't matter with the playoffs approaching. This kid's development DOES matter.

All last season I read people bitching about how Lue "needs to play the kids" and "we want to see the kids play." Well, when you do that, you lose. But that's ok -- we weren't going anywhere this season anyway. We'll get a high draft lottery position. Collin's development, though, has been a VERY pleasant surprise.

Now I know he has major defensive issues and he needs to improve his PG skills (I know, I've actually been watching games). But he HAS been doing better. He had a couple of hi TO games in the last five (7 and 4) -- but in three games he had ZERO turnovers. Five of the last nine games have been ZERO turnovers for him. Pretty damn good for a rookie who's not exactly Jason Kidd.

The people denigrating this kid don't bother me anymore. Night after night I hear the other team's commentators praising Collin. He damn near beat Philly (and Brett Brown had him at the TOP of his pregame briefing). Trashing this kid at this point is just asinine. He is an elite scorer already. That, alone, will keep him in the NBA -- and he's just getting started.

Cavaliers drafted a good one at #8.

His assist opportunities are up. He is driving and kicking, but often he gets to the rim now. He's making the right read around the perimeter passing the ball.

He doesn't pass a guy open, but he breaks the d and passes out 9f the double. Good enough for me right now.

His defense is getting better. Getting around screens better, but the best part is stopping the ball. He is getting back fast and stopping the ball his man or no. He is picking up full court and pushing the ball . He goes hard all game. I think his defense is gonna come along .

 

[The Oi]

People doubted he could score efficiently at all just a few short weeks ago. He can’t get to the basket. He can’t shoot threes. He’s a bust. You know who you all are.

Now you’re all doubting he can move the ball before he has a full off-season to prepare for it and before the Cavs add a top 3 pick. He’s had two coaches this year, god knows how many total lineups and mostly garbage players on the team.

The good thing is...players like him seem to thrive on doubt. If you goofs are doubting him, I’m sure he senses others are too.

And oh yeah btw...he’s only 20 so surely further development is out of the question with him being 5-7 years out of his prime.

 

[prf100]

I'll never understand judging the long-term impact of rookies during their rookie year. Particularly those that start their rookie years as teenagers.

(except Anthony Bennett, who immediately sucked)

 

[Cavsfan1985]

I think the best part about this stretch is that he is doing it as a second option and is best when he plays with Love. If we were healthy all year I would think we are a boarderline playoff team, and he putting up some great offensive numbers. We also need to remember he is only 19 going on 20. It’s pretty rare to see a guy score as well as he had the last month, he is scoring by driving and shooting.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yeah, I don't know if I buy this. You can't really teach this trait. And let's just be honest, he doesn't have it.

I agree it should improve, but never to the point you'd want to call him your point guard.

I like the idea of playing him at the two anyways. Don't try to mold him into something he's not..

He's not a point guard.

I stand by my original assessment. I see him as Lou Williams. I said that before, and people were acting like I was knocking him.

Lou Williams is a good player. So I'm saying I like Sexton, I just am willing to be honest and realistic about him at the same time.

Williams' career 3pt.% is below 35%. Sexton is over 40% already in his rookie season. That alone makes him a different player able to play a different offensive role.

 

[Joe Henderson]

I remember when TT was branded a 'sixth-man type" or "prototypical third big"... and then he ended up being the starting center on a championship team. It's really tough to try to pigeonhole a player this early in their careers.

TT got there because the NBA changed dramatically and his strengths became super important. The PG position is also changing fast and Sexton is showing a lot of the attributes that tilt toward where the league seems headed.

Case in point: the two most recent championship PGs: Kyrie and Steph. Not exactly your typical distributors and not exactly defensive anchors. But they both showed how valuable it can be when you get that much offense from the 1 spot.

Now, just to avoid unnecessary tangents: I'm not saying Sexton is Kyrie or Steph or that he'll be as good as those two. I'm just saying that the point guard role in the NBA has been changing rapidly, so it might serve us well to avoid the conventional wisdom of past eras to inform our expectations.

 

[Cavatt]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2019...specific-area-during-seasons-final-weeks.html

So it says here.

On the season, Sexton has 808 assist opportunities. He has 200 total assists.

That's only 25% that seems low. What is a good percentage there?

His timing on some passes especially on the short roll is a little late. I think some of that can be easily cleaned up. I think sometimes his teammates aren't looking for the pass either and are expecting him to shoot.

Other interesting numbers from the article

SGA 704 assist opportunities
Trae 1376
Doncic 1098

Maybe Collin needs to tighten up those passes so teammates can convert as much as he needs to pass more. One pass last game where he got into the teeth of the defense and got it to Kevin on the 3 point line, but Kevin bobbled it.

Shai has 20 more assists on 100 fewer opportunities

 

[Dr. Claw]

He's outperformed some of our picks at #1. and in a way I feel like I'd rather have him around than Dion when he was here. Just based on his rookie climb. His game at the rim has improved in recent games.

Advanced stats are still poo poo but the improvement is noted.... and notable. breaking team records held by GOATs.

If his defense improves I'm moving on to full on Stan

 

[Kouki]

People doubted he could score efficiently at all just a few short weeks ago. He can’t get to the basket. He can’t shoot threes. He’s a bust. You know who you all are.

Now you’re all doubting he can move the ball before he has a full off-season to prepare for it and before the Cavs add a top 3 pick. He’s had two coaches this year, god knows how many total lineups and mostly garbage players on the team.

The good thing is...players like him seem to thrive on doubt. If you goofs are doubting him, I’m sure he senses others are too.

And oh yeah btw...he’s only 20 so surely further development is out of the question with him being 5-7 years out of his prime.

Seriously, he just went from "not a good shooter" to "really good shooter" in a few months and we know how good his work ethic is. But he'll never be able to average 5 apg. Mmhmm.

 

[Lee]

For all those complaining about Collin's assist numbers -- have you actually watched any games and seen the Cavaliers play? John Stockton would have trouble piling up assists with the likes of Clarkson, Knight, "Hands of Stone" Zizic, Chrisssssssss, Sauce Castillo and Nwaba.

Can't get assists with Love when he's working the ball inside like he's been doing.

Zizic gets passes from Sexton and then misses a layup.

On the Dallas feed last night they brought up an interesting stat -- Collin Sexton is the FIRST Cavalier rookie to score 20 points or more for five consecutive games: 27, 28, 26, 23, 28.

That's right -- Our #1 overall picks Austin Carr (60 pts in NCAA tournament game), Brad Daugherty (averaged 20 ppg for Dean Smith -- Jordan didn't), LeBron James and Kyrie Irving didn't score 20 ppg five games in a row their rookie seasons.

Here's a look at Collin last five games:

MPG FGA FGM 3PA 3PM FTA FTM REB AST TO PTS
34.42 11 17 3 5 2 2 0 6 7 27
36.15 10 18 4 7 4 4 4 5 0 28
35.24 11 20 4 7 0 0 2 1 0 26
38.49 7 16 2 7 7 8 4 3 4 23
38.22 10 17 7 7 4 5 3 4 0 31

36.42 9.8 17.6 4.0 6.6 3.4 3.8 2.6 3.8 2.2 27.0
55.7% 60.6% 89.5%

He's put these numbers up late in the season on an injury-depleted team.

The last five games were: At Miami, Toronto, At Philly, At Orlando, At Dallas. Four of five road games. The last four games were over six days. And he's a rookie whose already played twice as many games as he's every played in a season.

Now I realize a lot of people -- even on RCF -- are not watching the games. It's a shame, because this kid is worth watching. These late season games are a hell of a lot more important for the Cavaliers than last season's games at this point -- because the regular season didn't matter with the playoffs approaching. This kid's development DOES matter.

All last season I read people bitching about how Lue "needs to play the kids" and "we want to see the kids play." Well, when you do that, you lose. But that's ok -- we weren't going anywhere this season anyway. We'll get a high draft lottery position. Collin's development, though, has been a VERY pleasant surprise.

Now I know he has major defensive issues and he needs to improve his PG skills (I know, I've actually been watching games). But he HAS been doing better. He had a couple of hi TO games in the last five (7 and 4) -- but in three games he had ZERO turnovers. Five of the last nine games have been ZERO turnovers for him. Pretty damn good for a rookie who's not exactly Jason Kidd.

The people denigrating this kid don't bother me anymore. Night after night I hear the other team's commentators praising Collin. He damn near beat Philly (and Brett Brown had him at the TOP of his pregame briefing). Trashing this kid at this point is just asinine. He is an elite scorer already. That, alone, will keep him in the NBA -- and he's just getting started.

Cavaliers drafted a good one at #8.

I am guessing this isn't targeted at me, but I am going to defend myself a but because I bring up assists.

I have watched him play, he isn't a pure pg, more of a combo guard. But that isn't a bad thing, just a fact. He is a better scorer than set up man. Ja is a true pg, his vision is incredible. I know that makes our back court young, but still.

The perfect pg for him would be Ball. If we could win, take Zion, then make some trade to dumb as Lakers to get Ball, I would think Sexton flourishes in that situation. Huge if, but just trying to point out PG is not locked up with a rookie, he has a ton of flexibility because he can play pg, sg and has the skills to be a great instant offense 6th men, although at this point he looks more starter than just rotational.

 

[Lee]

Seriously, he just went from "not a good shooter" to "really good shooter" in a few months and we know how good his work ethic is. But he'll never be able to average 5 apg. Mmhmm.

He could average 5 apg, sure, but in 36 minutes for your starting pg, not really a true pg. Look modern NBA, positions are more blurred than ever. The fact Sexton is a combo guards gives us options, not limits us, its not a bad thing, just a factual thing. We are getting to hung up on thinking saying Sexton is a combo guard is an insult.

I am more worried about Sexton learning to defend than learning to distribute. Court vision is just something you have or not, but Defense is about effort and can be taught.

 

[Kouki]

He could average 5 apg, sure, but in 36 minutes for your starting pg, not really a true pg. Look modern NBA, positions are more blurred than ever. The fact Sexton is a combo guards gives us options, not limits us, its not a bad thing, just a factual thing. We are getting to hung up on thinking saying Sexton is a combo guard is an insult.

I am more worried about Sexton learning to defend than learning to distribute. Court vision is just something you have or not, but Defense is about effort and can be taught.

I mean I guess the question is, what it all boils down to, is can he play the "point guard" on a contending team. I feel like some people relegating him to "combo guard" are also making the implication that he cannot start at the "point guard" position on a contending team.