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spydy13 said:
I was just poking you, man. I see I've hit a sensitive spot though. :chuckle:
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Not a sensitive spot at all, just want everyone to be clear. I'm not in the fortune telling game. I don't think it likely that Wade would be on the Cavs, and I still don't. But, just as I've said on the board and to you personally a few weeks back, he is someone we should pursue; same for Aldridge. Both are unlikely though, but still, we should at least try.
 
godfather said:
The nerve of Heat fans to claim Wade is a sellout if he does it. I get it, if I were them I'd not like this too, but you should aim your anger at Riley.

Riley looks good in this, even though this is all his undoing. He's just great at manipulating everyone. And always thinks he's the smartest man in the room, and has a habit of belittling others. Sometimes that stuff just doesn't always work, and people get tired of it.

If I was a Heat fan. I'd start to question the invincible Riley, and wonder if his ego is just becoming too big for its own good anymore.

I mean, yeah, he helped get LB to Miami, but there was no secret he played a helping hand in pushing LeBron out the door too.

For the good he brings to a franchise, and I'm not suggesting he doesn't bring good things either, you also have to live with the bad he potentially brings, too.
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This is definitely setting up for Riley to paint Wade as the greedy player that turned his back on the franchise that did so much for him.

At least that's the narrative he'll give the Heat media cronies. Hopefully other media members and fans push against it though.
 
spydy13 said:
This is definitely setting up for Riley to paint Wade as the greedy player that turned his back on the franchise that did so much for him.

At least that's the narrative he'll give the Heat media cronies. Hopefully other media members and fans push against it though.
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Agree, and I don't like it either. Even though Wade has been seen as the enemy for many years.

You just don't treat people this way. Even though this is a business, its just bad business to be this cold. He should be called out for it too.

If I was Wade, I'd be so pissed off, I'd be so hellbent on just leaving at this point. Because he's being so disrespected.

It's just pretty damn insulting given that Pat Riley's entire legacy as a GM/President (obviously not as a coach), is largely because of Wade.

Wade brought LeBron to Miami for him. Riley should owe him for life for that.

I am really hoping Wade is so far gone now, there's no turning back. That he won't be back in Miami, its very possible Riley has pissed him off that much.

It's obvious he's pissed. Because his dad wearing the shirt, his comments during the finals. This isn't just negotiating tactics, this a guy that's clearly pretty pissed off right now.

Even if coming here is far-fetch, I just hope Wade leaves Miami period. I am rooting for it big time.
 
It'd be hilarious if LeBron and/or Love took pay cuts for a year just to make Wade that much more feasible.

Assuming we did get Wade, how do we fix our bench though? Yea, Shump and JR move there assuming we don't lose one, and if we did, we would be over the cap and couldn't replace them.

Wade, Shump, and JR are all starting quality SG's. Key word "shooting guards". Wade can step in at point, but the other two almost strictly play the 2 spot and none of them can really (or should) play the 3 spot. Them fighting over minutes is already a potential problem.

So assuming we need another PG and possibly another big and a couple forwards possibly, how do we fix the bench when we use Haywood AND likely give up our pick (or multiple)?

So if Wade goes down (which is almost likely), we have our 15 million tied up in one spot. I just feel like this could be a really dangerous slope. If we flip Haywood for 2-3 players, still keep the pick and possibly even add a pick, we can really boost the bench which severely lowers the risk involved because they probably won't be as injury prone and you would take your chances with 4 players getting hurt compared to having it all ride on one player.

It feels too high of risk for a team that doesn't need much extra to put us over the top. Getting Lamarcus Aldridge in his near prime is one thing...

I'd rather bring Wade on in a year or two maybe when the cap goes up and he doesn't demand as much.
 
Walter White said:
It'd be hilarious if LeBron and/or Love took pay cuts for a year just to make Wade that much more feasible.

Assuming we did get Wade, how do we fix our bench though? Yea, Shump and JR move there assuming we don't lose one, and if we did, we would be over the cap and couldn't replace them.

Wade, Shump, and JR are all starting quality SG's. Key word "shooting guards". Wade can step in at point, but the other two almost strictly play the 2 spot and none of them can really (or should) play the 3 spot. Them fighting over minutes is already a potential problem.

So assuming we need another PG and possibly another big and a couple forwards possibly, how do we fix the bench when we use Haywood AND likely give up our pick (or multiple)?

So if Wade goes down (which is almost likely), we have our 15 million tied up in one spot. I just feel like this could be a really dangerous slope. If we flip Haywood for 2-3 players, still keep the pick and possibly even add a pick, we can really boost the bench which severely lowers the risk involved because they probably won't be as injury prone and you would take your chances with 4 players getting hurt compared to having it all ride on one player.

It feels too high of risk for a team that doesn't need much extra to put us over the top. Getting Lamarcus Aldridge in his near prime is one thing...

I'd rather bring Wade on in a year or two maybe when the cap goes up and he doesn't demand as much.
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Shump can guard anyone between the 1-3, and JR and Wade could handle some small forwards as well. On offense it doesn't really matter whether JR or Shump play the small forward spot since they will mostly just be shooting threes.

I would go:

SG Wade/JR/Harris
SF Bron/Shump/JJ

If we pick up Mo with the MLE as many are suggestion, the point guard spot will be good with Kyrie and Delly. That leaves getting a 4th/5th big (depending on the health of Andy), which would be either a guy we pick up on the minimum or with our draft pick in the first (if it wasn't included in the Wade deal).
 
This is already greatness. Even if Wade doesn't come. Seeing the Miami "fans" suffer is priceless.

Here's to hoping ESPN goes fuckin bonkers about this. You KNOW they would be if Kevin Love's Dad come out today rockin a Lakers tee...
 
When the Lakers signed Kobe Bryant to a two-year extension for $48.5M on November 26, 2013, I thought it was ridiculous - one of the worst financial decisions by a basketball team in history. Why in the world would the Lakers overpay an aging and declining star, and prevent themselves from having any reasonable chance to rebuild their roster through free agency? It's true that they still had money for another maximum player - but it was also true their roster was bare, and they needed more than one max guy (who, by the way, never came.) I thought it was absolutely nuts, and that sentiment seemed to confirmed as it became increasingly obvious over the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons that Kobe is done.

But today for the first time, I get it. Kobe himself explains it in this article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--k...to-cheapen-his-superstar-value-053329468.html

"Most of us have aspirations for being businessmen when our playing careers are over," Bryant told Yahoo Sports in a corridor of the Verizon Center. "But that starts now. You have to be able to wear both hats. You can't sit up there and say, 'Well, I'm going to take substantially less because there's public pressure, because all of a sudden, if you don't take less, you don't give a crap about winning. That's total bull----.

"I'm very fortunate to be with an organization that understands how to take care of its players, and put a great team out on the floor. They've figured out how to do both.

"Most players in this league don't have that. They get stuck in a predicament – probably intentionally done by the teams – to force them to take less money. Meanwhile, the value of the organization goes through the roof off the backs of their quote, unquote selfless players.

"It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard."

Does the bolded text strike a little too close to home, DWade?

So now I understand the decision of the Lakers. It's true that the Godfather contract that Kobe received condemned the Lakers to a few losing seasons. But it's also true that in so doing, the Lakers have established a clear dichotomy with teams like the Miami Heat and the still-owned-by-Jerry-Reinsdorf Chicago Bulls. The Lakers take care of the superstars that have taken care of them, and that reputation will surely be noted by other superstar free agents-in-waiting, like Jimmy Butler.

Our pursuit of Dwyane Wade is all about adding a three-time champion who had the second highest PER among shooting guards last year (yes, it's true) and who has established chemistry with our alpha-dog to our roster. But in a small way, it's also about cementing our reputation among superstar free agents: our city may not be the sexiest, but we'll take care of you when cheapskates such as Mickey Arison won't.

Perhaps this might be something to consider during your impending free agency, Mr. Love.
 
Rob said:
This is already greatness. Even if Wade doesn't come. Seeing the Miami "fans" suffer is priceless.

Here's to hoping ESPN goes fuckin bonkers about this. You KNOW they would be if Kevin Love's Dad come out today rockin a Lakers tee...
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It's fun when it happens to someone else
 
Trading Wade does make sense, than just letting him walk. We'd at least be able to offer Miami something, rather than him walking to LA for nothing. I highly doubt the Lakers would agree to a sign and trade for him.

Would they'd be willing to throw in picks, or Randle? I doubt it. Everything else on their roster is basically shit.

And like I mention previously in this thread, when I was debating with Gour about this. Us offering picks, even if they're late ones, is not at all my idea of thinking we are fleecing Miami.

If Wade cannot stay healthy, and he's on the bench come playoff time, giving up those picks could be costly. (Especially if 'Bron wants him here, I don't think you come back to him and say no to trading Wade, because of late draft picks)

I think at the end of the day, that medium risk is worth the reward. It's not like we can't go on and live if that somehow happens. We are a good enough team as it is, and we aren't depending on draft picks. But, trading away draft picks, especially if those players end up proving to be solid contributions can always be risky.

That's not shady value for Miami.
 
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D Wade's daddy today...can we please move this to the Cavs forum? At this point we're just delaying the inevitable
 
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