Eagles 1st round pick watch

[Kbiz]

Not sure why people aren't sold on Wentz yet. He's looked the part since his first snap against us. He continues to make adjustments pre-snap, looks incredibly comfortable in the pocket, and has made some sure-fire NFL throws with pressure in his face. It's not like Philly is littered with offensive talent. Philly is 3-0 and it's largely due to Wentz's play at QB.

Meanwhile the QB we deemed as "can't miss" hasn't even seen the field yet while the likes of Wentz and Prescott have shown incredibly poise. I don't blame the Browns for moving down as Coleman has shown flashes and we needed help across the board offensively.

I am concerned that whatever Philly saw in Wentz, we did not see and they were correct in their assessment. I am concerned that it appears Dallas has lucked into finding Romo's successor and we haven't been able to find just a CAPABLE QB in years.

It's hard to even get excited about future prospects b/c we will likely fuck that up again too. Out of our last 11 first round picks, 7 aren't even on the team anymore. Hell, 3 of them aren't even in the fucking league anymore. When will the misery end?

 

[I'mWithDan]

Not sure why people aren't sold on Wentz yet. He's looked the part since his first snap against us. He continues to make adjustments pre-snap, looks incredibly comfortable in the pocket, and has made some sure-fire NFL throws with pressure in his face. It's not like Philly is littered with offensive talent. Philly is 3-0 and it's largely due to Wentz's play at QB.

Meanwhile the QB we deemed as "can't miss" hasn't even seen the field yet while the likes of Wentz and Prescott have shown incredibly poise. I don't blame the Browns for moving down as Coleman has shown flashes and we needed help across the board offensively.

I am concerned that whatever Philly saw in Wentz, we did not see and they were correct in their assessment. I am concerned that it appears Dallas has lucked into finding Romo's successor and we haven't been able to find just a CAPABLE QB in years.

It's hard to even get excited about future prospects b/c we will likely fuck that up again too. Out of our last 11 first round picks, 7 aren't even on the team anymore. Hell, 3 of them aren't even in the fucking league anymore. When will the misery end?

Kirk Cousins threw for 4200 yards last season with a 102 QB rating and this year Washington wants to run him out of town. The QB position can be really fickle. The guys that succeed are the ones that can overcome their own tendencies once NFL DC's have a handful of game tapes on them.

Does Wentz look like a potential franchise QB? I mean, absolutely. No one is denying that but there's a huge scrap heap of guys that have looked good for a handful of games, or even seasons for that matter and then just had the wheels fall off.

Wentz has played the #18, #29 and #27 ranked defenses in the NFL thus far. If you want to go back to last year, only Chicago ranked in the top half of the league at #14. I'm not saying Wentz won't be good but he's fallen in to the perfect storm at this point. Playing 3 teams that aren't particularly good on defense and he's been able to play with a comfortable lead in every game.

I'm more interested to see what he does against some of the more elite defenses and additionally, how he makes throws when pressed. That will be more revealing than his quick start. I'm not saying he WILL fail but 3 games is a really small sample size, against teams who don't have great defenses. The Pittsburgh win was really impressive but for me it was just how dominating their defense was. In regards to draft positon, that is more concerning. If their defense is going to play THIS well, it may not even matter what Wentz does, as long as he's not an abject disaster, they're going to be a playoff team.

 

[Chris]

I mean, he's likely to struggle against ELITE defenses. Many proven franchise QBs struggle often against the league's top defenses let alone freakin rookies.. I don't want to come on here after he has a loss or a bad game against a great defense and watch people go, "HAHA, told ya he isn't any good!" like I know will happen.

 

[bigfoot5415]

It will come in at #22....BOOK IT!

 

[Huber.]

We can and should wait to judge Wentz when we see him in the playoffs this year.

 

[AZ_]

We can and should wait to judge Wentz when we see him in the playoffs over the next decade.

Fixed

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Fixed

You are REALLY hitching your wagon hard to Wentz.

This post basically sums up my thoughts to a T:

Kirk Cousins threw for 4200 yards last season with a 102 QB rating and this year Washington wants to run him out of town. The QB position can be really fickle. The guys that succeed are the ones that can overcome their own tendencies once NFL DC's have a handful of game tapes on them.

Does Wentz look like a potential franchise QB? I mean, absolutely. No one is denying that but there's a huge scrap heap of guys that have looked good for a handful of games, or even seasons for that matter and then just had the wheels fall off.

Wentz has played the #18, #29 and #27 ranked defenses in the NFL thus far. If you want to go back to last year, only Chicago ranked in the top half of the league at #14. I'm not saying Wentz won't be good but he's fallen in to the perfect storm at this point. Playing 3 teams that aren't particularly good on defense and he's been able to play with a comfortable lead in every game.

I'm more interested to see what he does against some of the more elite defenses and additionally, how he makes throws when pressed. That will be more revealing than his quick start. I'm not saying he WILL fail but 3 games is a really small sample size, against teams who don't have great defenses. The Pittsburgh win was really impressive but for me it was just how dominating their defense was. In regards to draft positon, that is more concerning. If their defense is going to play THIS well, it may not even matter what Wentz does, as long as he's not an abject disaster, they're going to be a playoff team.

 

[Sebastian]

Not sure why people aren't sold on Wentz yet. He's looked the part since his first snap against us. He continues to make adjustments pre-snap, looks incredibly comfortable in the pocket, and has made some sure-fire NFL throws with pressure in his face. It's not like Philly is littered with offensive talent. Philly is 3-0 and it's largely due to Wentz's play at QB.

Meanwhile the QB we deemed as "can't miss" hasn't even seen the field yet while the likes of Wentz and Prescott have shown incredibly poise. I don't blame the Browns for moving down as Coleman has shown flashes and we needed help across the board offensively.

I am concerned that whatever Philly saw in Wentz, we did not see and they were correct in their assessment. I am concerned that it appears Dallas has lucked into finding Romo's successor and we haven't been able to find just a CAPABLE QB in years.

It's hard to even get excited about future prospects b/c we will likely fuck that up again too. Out of our last 11 first round picks, 7 aren't even on the team anymore. Hell, 3 of them aren't even in the fucking league anymore. When will the misery end?

The same front office also drafted Cody Kessler over Dak Prescott. And really, criminally reached for him too (Seriously, 3rd Round? Dude may not have even been drafted). It is early, and the jury is still out for a while, but I not pleased with what i've seen so far regarding QB evaluation.

QB of all positions lends itself the least to strict analytical approaches. I'm thinking Hue doesn't have the voice some believe he does.

 

[AZ_]

The same front office also drafted Cody Kessler over Dak Prescott. And really, criminally reached for him too (Seriously, 3rd Round? Dude may not have even been drafted). It is early, and the jury is still out for a while, but I not pleased with what i've seen so far regarding QB evaluation.

QB of all positions lends itself the least to strict analytical approaches. I'm thinking Hue doesn't have the voice some believe he does.

The Browns aren't using a strictly analytic approach, nor have they claimed to.

 

[Sebastian]

The Browns aren't using a strictly analytic approach, nor have they claimed to.

C'mon now. No team reveals their exact methodologies.

However, given the key personnel added to the Front Office, including the Chief Strategy Officer, it is quite reasonable to assume they are following a method heavily dependent on DePodestra's analytic approach. Like accumulating picks via trade rather than using a high pick on a single impact player. Unfortunately, the debate is whether that approach, notably successful in baseball, fully translates to football; in particular with the evaluation of QBs. And that single question on the matter of selecting QBs is of paramount importance. Extra picks and filling skill positions means dick without a QB.

Right now, and it is waaay too early for sure, and it is more grousing than anything because there is little else to do, but seeing the (early) success of Wentz and Prescott should give us pause as to whether the Browns are evaluating QBs correctly and that absolutely means calling into question the analytic strategy that DePodestra was hired to implement.

 

[The Voice]

C'mon now. No team reveals their exact methodologies.

However, given the key personnel added to the Front Office, including the Chief Strategy Officer, it is quite reasonable to assume they are following a method heavily dependent on DePodestra's analytic approach. Like accumulating picks via trade rather than using a high pick on a single impact player. Unfortunately, the debate is whether that approach, notably successful in baseball, fully translates to football; in particular with the evaluation of QBs. And that single question on the matter of selecting QBs is of paramount importance. Extra picks and filling skill positions means dick without a QB.

Right now, and it is waaay too early for sure, and it is more grousing than anything because there is little else to do, but seeing the (early) success of Wentz and Prescott should give us pause as to whether the Browns are evaluating QBs correctly and that absolutely means calling into question the analytic strategy that DePodestra was hired to implement.

The Cowboys have one of the best o lines in the NFL and both have more compete teams.

If anything perhaps, they're trying to complete the team around before they throw someone into the wolves.


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[AZ_]

C'mon now. No team reveals their exact methodologies.

However, given the key personnel added to the Front Office, including the Chief Strategy Officer, it is quite reasonable to assume they are following a method heavily dependent on DePodestra's analytic approach. Like accumulating picks via trade rather than using a high pick on a single impact player. Unfortunately, the debate is whether that approach, notably successful in baseball, fully translates to football; in particular with the evaluation of QBs. And that single question on the matter of selecting QBs is of paramount importance. Extra picks and filling skill positions means dick without a QB.

Right now, and it is waaay too early for sure, and it is more grousing than anything because there is little else to do, but seeing the (early) success of Wentz and Prescott should give us pause as to whether the Browns are evaluating QBs correctly and that absolutely means calling into question the analytic strategy that DePodestra was hired to implement.

I'm speaking strictly towards the player evaluation process, not the logic behind acquiring assets and determining value of picks.

In terms of their approach to evaluating players individually, there really is no process that relies solely on analytics to make decisions.

 

[Soda]

We're back to that place where Dak Prescott's pre-draft DUI is forgotten and, thus, isn't accounted for when panning the freshly post-Manziel Browns era evaluation of him.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

I haven't read all of the posts on here, but all of the hand-wringing being done with Wentz is so Browns. It's a total hindsight move to say that the Browns should have grabbed Wentz at #2.

Grabbing Wentz, at that time, would have been the complete wrong move and would have stayed in line with so many poor moves that the Browns have made in pretty much every draft.

The Browns were offered a trade package that was nearly unprecedented in regards to pick equity for the rights to choose a DII QB who was half tools and half speculation at the time. The Browns did the absolute correct thing and should always make that same move unless there is a sure-fire, can't miss stud sitting there. That was NOT Wentz.

All of the moaning and groaning I hear on the radio by the dopes who have radio shows in Cleveland makes me so angry. It's like they knew that Wentz was the correct choice and would fare so well in his first three games. They talk about how the Browns are going to Browns again. What should be talked about is how the Browns made a great football move based on the data available at the moment instead of reaching for a player that wasn't rated worthy of that draft position.

 

[Kbiz]

The Browns aren't using a strictly analytic approach, nor have they claimed to.

I just hope this regime is using a better approach then year's past...