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Eww. Victor is a Red Sock.

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I'm gonna be sick.

This is the trade that has stung the most.

Victor is a guy who would have stayed here. He would have been an Indian for life.

The Tribe just lost me as a fan until the team is sold.

Losing Cliff didn't mean anything to me personally. I knew it hurt the team for next year, but I didn't like anything about the man... all he cared about was his personal record and stats. The team winning or losing on days he wasn't pitching had no affect on his happiness. He didn't seem to have many friends on the team, and if I remember correctly actually got in a fight with Victor at one point.

But Victor was really the heart and soul of this team, and he really cared about the franchise and the city. Losing him hurts. :(
 
I'm gonna be sick.

This is the trade that has stung the most.

Victor is a guy who would have stayed here. He would have been an Indian for life.

The Tribe just lost me as a fan until the team is sold.

And in two years when Victor was in year 1 of a 30 million dollar extension and OPSing .800 as the full time first baseman/DH, everyone would have been bitching about how we should have traded him when he still had value.

I absolutely loved watching Victor grow up as an Indian, but make no mistake, this was a move that absolutely needed to be made. Masterson can step right in as the 3rd starter next season and Hagadone has tremendous upside.

Victor's main value was the fact that he was an extraordinarily good hitter for the catcher position. But the fact is, he wasn't going to be in that position that much longer. With Marson in the mix now (pretty much ready to be in the majors right now) and with Santana absolutely mashing in the minors, would anyone be comfortable with Victor making that kind of money as a middle of the road mediocre 1st baseman?

I know it sucks to see him go, but we were most likely gonna finish in last place with or without Victor next year anyway. And after next year Victor was either gonna walk away in free agency for nothing or the Indians would have resigned him and got some badly diminishing returns for an aging 1st baseman the rest of his contract.
 
I'm not a Red Sox fan now, but I have certainly lightened my stance towards them now that Vic is there. Hopefully he isnt there for long.

I hope to see Vic at some more Cavs games next year.
 
This trade more than any other feels real, it feels human. We didn't trade a batting avg this time, we traded a friend.

I still remember Victor staring out over the dugout fence after losing to Boston, his eyes watering up as teammates came up to console him. This guy cared and was as much a fan as a player, and thats what makes it hurt so much.

I have a friend who babysits for him and was really close to his family. Said the whole family was just wonderful in every way. We often lose sight during trading frenzies of the fact that these are people with families, lives, and friends, not just a set of numbers and potential. This one is different from the Lee trade because it feels so damn personal.

Good luck Victor, you're the only Red Sock I'll ever root for.
 
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^sums up my feelings
 
Well I hope He wins A ring that Is what really matters... But to see someone who Is loyal and lvo loving to a cleveland team Unlike CC, Manny, And Thome. As much as we all hate the Red Sox they are trying to prove they do not need Manny to win and I respect them more now than I used to. Im not a fan yet though but give them some respect. Yet to see how Victor reacted wow I felt like tearing up myself. Maybe he will come back some day If It does not hurt him to much or he has grudge.Omar and Victor two Indians who really I got attatched to and seeing them go Is hard. On the bright side we did get Masterson who will be a stud pitcher in this leauge and Is MLB ready. But ill be rooting for victor and hopefully he gets a ring with the sox. Thanks for everything Victor and being the one guy who truly cared about the team through thick and thin. thanks for being real person and not a greedy hot headed typical MLB player. You always have a home here If you decide to return one day... My personal favorite prospect since he was in the minors.

All that aside At least We gave him to a team with a chance to win I do not agree at all with the moves but I see what they are doing. why pay players more money with the same result. Just Shipiro sucks at trades No Kershaw or Bucholts? Ill settle with Masterson I always wanted him on our team but come on. Bently and Santana could be our two major steals and we got Santana for blake... So we got a steal there. Well time to see If Shipiro fails or comes out ahead... Anyways thanks victor good times and good luck... and .... go Tribe..
 
First of all, keep in mind the vast majority of us don't have all the information available to us that Shapiro has. Second of all, and most importantly, just because there's a rumor, doesn't mean it has an ounce of truth. Yes, it would have been nice to get Kershaw or Buchholz, but both were extremely unlikely. Kershaw has a 2.76 ERA and almost 9 K/9. Kershaw will be better than Lee shortly...he has more talent than Lee and has quickly put it together. With that said, keep in mind that Buchholz is highly regarded as one of the best prospects in baseball. As much as I love Victor, fact is that he's closing in on the end of his prime and for a catcher, he's old. His offensive production is average at 1B.

Everyone just needs to think with their heads and not their heart. We had an $81 million payroll this year, adding to a roster we knew could compete in the AL because we did in 2007 and injuries decimated last year. What happened? A little bit of everything, mostly bullpen woes. Regardless, this is not a team that could have been fixed this year or next, so while we have Martinez and Lee with a year left on their contract, making them that much valuable, it makes the most sense to trade them. Guys like LaPorta, Brantley, Santana, Hodges are on the brink of being ready but in reality, 2010 will be at the earliest their first full year in the big leagues. Guys like Beau Mills and Chisenhall (good draft picks so far by Shapiro, I might add) are a couple years away. It only makes sense, as hard as it is for a city, to focus more on the future and developing talent. As much as Martinez loves Cleveland, I'm glad he doesn't have to spend anymore time at the bottom of the standings this year and gets a chance to go play for a championship. Like said earlier, he's a fan favorite and he always wanted to win in Cleveland, it just didn't happen.

A lot of people hate on Dolan. Fact of the matter is that at the start of the season, we were dead smack in the middle of the pack with an $81 million payroll. We went out, signed Wood, actually overpaid him. Got DeRosa. Low risk signing in Pavano. So to say that Dolan is the ultimate penny pincher, that goes a tad far. In the past, he has been bad, but keep in mind he has done what was necessary to keep most of our stars in Cleveland. Who has left recently? Only CC. To people who are saying he would have given us a hometown discount, keep dreaming. We re-signed Hafner, Sizemore, Westbrook, Lee, Martinez...we haven't let anyone straight walk, and we've gotten a haul back for every player that has left.

The bottom line comes to this. If you don't have a championship caliber team, especially in a city like Cleveland, it's necessary to rebuild and start again. There are no quick fixes and an overhaul was necessary. In 2007, we had our chance and blew it. Last year, injuries got us, and this year, it just didn't happen. So how do we move on? Fire sale...and fire Wedge. Keep Shapiro around, he knows what he's doing.
 
Trade Sizemore for Kershaw. Would they do it? Prolly not.
 
I understand having to trade him.... but damn this one hurts. Good luck to you Victor!

Just to add onto this...

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Martinez bids Tribe a tearful goodbye
Veteran catcher's professionalism, emotion on display

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By Anthony Castrovince / MLB.com

07/31/09 6:48 PM ET

CLEVELAND -- Victor Martinez sat in front of his locker one last time in the Indians' clubhouse Friday afternoon, with his 4-year-old son, Victor Jose, in his lap.

Martinez sobbed as he explained to his son that he had just been traded to the Red Sox.

"My wife has been talking to him a little bit," Martinez told reporters soon after. "He woke up this morning, and the first thing he said was, 'Daddy, are we still an Indian?'

"I told him, 'So far, yes,' and he started screaming, 'Yes! Yes!'"


But around noon ET on Friday, talks between the Red Sox and Indians heated up. And around 3 p.m., an hour before baseball's non-waiver Trade Deadline, the swap sending Martinez to Boston for Major League right-hander Justin Masterson and prospects Nick Hagadone and Bryan Price was consummated.

It was obvious, particularly after Wednesday's trade that sent reigning Cy Young winner Cliff Lee to the Phillies, that Martinez was on the block, especially considering the Lee trade brought the Indians a Triple-A catching prospect in Lou Marson.

Still, Martinez and his family held out hope that the Tribe would hold onto him. This was, after all, the organization that plucked him out of Venezuela as a 17-year-old shortstop and groomed him to become a three-time All-Star behind the plate.

Plenty of players talk about loving the team and the fans they play for, but Martinez lived it. And that was evident in the wake of the trade, as he spoke to reporters while wearing black sunglasses that hid red eyes.

"This is my house," he said. "I'm leaving my house."

It was general manager Mark Shapiro who informed Martinez he is leaving. In recent weeks, Shapiro has said goodbye to Lee, Ben Francisco, Ryan Garko, Rafael Betancourt and Mark DeRosa. But the trades of CC Sabathia last summer and Martinez now seemed the most difficult for him, on a personal level.

"I expressed something to [Martinez] that I truly feel," Shapiro said. "In my 18 years in this game, I have not had the privilege to be around a finer person, a finer teammate, a finer father, husband and friend than Vic. ... I know that he will be a friend long after his playing days and my GM days."

On the business side of the equation, the Indians have a wealth of young talent at catcher and first base and a need to cut costs for 2010. Martinez and his $7.1 million option for next year -- an option that increases to $7.6 million, now that he's been traded -- were no longer deemed to fit in.

But in trading the 30-year-old Martinez, the Indians are losing a field general, a clubhouse leader, a mentor to their young Latin players and, really, the closest thing they had to a team captain.

"Not even 'the closest thing,'" said Kelly Shoppach, who figures to take over the primary catching duties. "He was [the captain]. You don't have to wear a 'C' on your chest to be a captain."


Martinez's professionalism was on display as he addressed the trade. Though emotional, he spoke optimistically about joining a Red Sox team in the thick of the postseason race. He learned quite a bit about what it's like to be in a playoff atmosphere at Fenway Park when the Indians were bounced from the American League Championship Series in 2007.

"You know, I've heard a lot of great things about the Boston organization," Martinez said. "I'm excited to go to a team that gives everything on the field and is pretty tough to beat."

Martinez certainly had those attributes in his eight seasons with the Indians. He leaves not only with a career average of .297 with 103 homers and 518 RBIs but with a reputation as the type of player who picks his teammates up, through thick and thin.

"I always play hard," he said. "You don't want to be the only one on the field playing hard. You don't want to look around and see a lot of lazy players."

As Martinez looked around at his teammates Friday, he knew the goodbyes would be difficult. And telling his son about the trade was difficult, as well.

"He didn't know what to say," Martinez said of Victor Jose. "The only thing he said is, 'What number are you going to wear?'"

Martinez, who told reporters at the All-Star Game that he wanted to retire with the Indians, will continue to wear No. 41, but it will be on a different uniform.

"I thought that I was only going to wear one uniform," he said. "It's not going to happen. I want to thank the Cleveland Indians for the opportunity and the fans. They were always there for me and the rest of my teammates, cheering for us."

Anthony Castrovince is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

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Come on Vic, Ed Hary is soooo two thousand and late.
 
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