Farewell to Sergey Karasev

[Lee]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Which is why I've basically transitioned my hate for the way Jack is playing on Mike Brown. Mike Brown is letting Jack do literally whatever he wants out there with seemingly no consequences, and it's leading to Jack playing like hot garbage on his best nights. If I were coaching this team and Jack passed up an open three to dribble in one step and take a contested two, I'd yank his ass and he wouldn't see the court until he realized that was a stupid basketball decision. He's a veteran. You can't let him get away with that shit.



It takes two to tango. If we offloaded Jack for an equally bad contract, what's the point? If we had to package Zeller with Jack just to clear his payroll and get nothing in return, is it worth it? Because it seems like those were the situations we were looking at. The fact that Jack has been so terrible this year certainly didn't help us in trade talks, either.

I want to be clear so you understand. When Keys said Jack has never played this bad, he was referring to you. Your posting quality is way down. Blame Ben if you want, but MB has nothing to do with this.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Which is why I've basically transitioned my hate for the way Jack is playing on Mike Brown. Mike Brown is letting Jack do literally whatever he wants out there with seemingly no consequences, and it's leading to Jack playing like hot garbage on his best nights. If I were coaching this team and Jack passed up an open three to dribble in one step and take a contested two, I'd yank his ass and he wouldn't see the court until he realized that was a stupid basketball decision. He's a veteran. You can't let him get away with that shit.



It takes two to tango. If we offloaded Jack for an equally bad contract, what's the point? If we had to package Zeller with Jack just to clear his payroll and get nothing in return, is it worth it? Because it seems like those were the situations we were looking at. The fact that Jack has been so terrible this year certainly didn't help us in trade talks, either.

I have no doubt that, had we gotten any reasonable offer for him, he would have been out the door in a heartbeat.

Did anyone watch games when Dion was healthy and we got on the 6 game winning streak? Brown had a quick hook on Jack, he played back to back games with what 13-15 mins? Brown is not afraid to pull Jack. I would love to see Karasev get some burn, but we are in a win now mode, so you have to rely on your starters to carry the team. If Jack or Irving would have got hot in the 4th Q we could have won the game, a hot jack is better then anything Karasev would bring to the floor today. I think the other issue is ball handling. Lets say Delly or Jack was out and you had a healthy Dion, I think you would see more Karasev as he would fit better with Dion then with Jack.

 

[Rich]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Which is why I've basically transitioned my hate for the way Jack is playing on Mike Brown. Mike Brown is letting Jack do literally whatever he wants out there with seemingly no consequences, and it's leading to Jack playing like hot garbage on his best nights. If I were coaching this team and Jack passed up an open three to dribble in one step and take a contested two, I'd yank his ass and he wouldn't see the court until he realized that was a stupid basketball decision. He's a veteran. You can't let him get away with that shit.



It takes two to tango. If we offloaded Jack for an equally bad contract, what's the point? If we had to package Zeller with Jack just to clear his payroll and get nothing in return, is it worth it? Because it seems like those were the situations we were looking at. The fact that Jack has been so terrible this year certainly didn't help us in trade talks, either.

I have no doubt that, had we gotten any reasonable offer for him, he would have been out the door in a heartbeat.

Jason Terry was the reasonable offer. One less year on his deal. But we said no, no, can't take back anyone w/o a contract that isn't up this year. That was dumb. Anything to shorten the lifespan of Jack's bad contract was a win and we should have taken it.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

I want to be clear so you understand. When Keys said Jack has never played this bad, he was referring to you. Your posting quality is way down. Blame Ben if you want, but MB has nothing to do with this.

Brickman was far worse in the Nerlens Noel threads last spring. He bottomed out like Jarrett Jack on his DUI night.

Haven't we talked about the fact rookies need around a year to adjust to the three point line in the NBA? Aside from the Larry Birds of the world, shooting specialists usually wait until their second year to emerge at their strengths. I've always seen Karasev as a Bellinelli type guy who needed a year of NBA strength and conditioning work along with that adjustment in the three point line before he emerges.

 

[falcon2294]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

They really needed something from outside. Jesus, aren't you glad they didn't trade Waiters? Sergey should really be getting some burn because Jack is not getting it done, and Delly is struggling too.

People were saying we could trade waiters and plug In Sergey and not miss a thing :chuckles:

 

[godfather]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

You have to understand Brown's philosophy on developing raw young players. He knocks them down a few pegs the first year because that is usually what is needed to get them to listen to the coach. If these guys were given ultimatums from high school or college coaches, the player would win the power play. That is the reality of youth coaching these days. He shows them that being catered to because you have some height and skill is over now.

The problem with Brown has been adapting to a situation where most of the roster also happens to be very young. Just like his rigid approach to defending the pick and roll, he leans on what worked in previous situations. He lacks the vision on development to try different approaches than what has worked for him in the past with mostly veteran and successful rosters. He is formulaic, and the league has a good read on his formula.

This to me has always been the most frustrating part of Mike Brown. He unwillingness to adapt. You got to pull teeth, to get him to budge even a little.

I don't really even blame Mike Brown, this is who he is. He only knows one way, I don't think he knows how to adapt, and still be successful.

You just got to blame Grant/Gilbert for the hiring. I think Mike Brown is definitely capable of being a pretty decent coach when plugged into the right situation. Not great, not horrible, just decent.

This is definitely not the right situation for him. It's like Dan Gilbert doesn't even fully understand what Mike Brown is as a coach. He just doesn't seem to have the patience to handle a team like this.

 

[Taki]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

You guys are talking about Karasev like he's never played professional ball. Euro league is the second best league after the NBA that takes the best teams of each individual European league and places it into one.

There's no reason why he shouldn't be getting playing time, what baffles me even more is Mike Brown is quite knowledgeable of CSKA Moscow(talks to the coaches) and yet still won't play him.

Mike brown is awful at developing talent but is good at preaching defense I guess.

 

[DELONTEizDad]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Sergey must just be complete garbage to not see the court at this point.

Maybe he was a bigger reason Grant was let go than we know?

 

[Taki]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Go look him up on YouTube if you think he's garbage. He's been good. I think Mike Brown is just putting him in the doghouse to a prove a point or something.

There's been a lot of great players who just don't get opportunity.

 

[DatDudeZ3]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Sooo... we lose 3 straight games because lack of guards, and Jack continuously sucks. Maybe you should change something up or give Karasev some minutes Mike? You can't do much worse. What has to happen for this kid to play? Ridiculous... Can we fire MB yet? Or do we have to wait until the offseason?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

I have the feeling coaches have watched a couple hundred more hours of Karasev playing NBA talent in practice than most of the board. There could be a very good reason Karasev isn't playing. That said, Dellavedova took the bulk of Jack's minutes and the team looked better for it. Those of you hoping Jack is phased out May soon get your wish.

 

[ice cream man]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

Sergey must just be complete garbage to not see the court at this point.

Maybe he was a bigger reason Grant was let go than we know?

lol, for not hitting on a #19 pick? Come on. Grant was fired for his signings this past offseason. Giving his friend $20 million for 5 years, and giving Jack 25 million for 4 years.

 

[Pioneer10]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

The Panzers have swarmed and the playoff dreams are as dead as the Polish cavalry against the Germans. Time to start playing Sergey, need a Russian in there.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

I have the feeling coaches have watched a couple hundred more hours of Karasev playing NBA talent in practice than most of the board. There could be a very good reason Karasev isn't playing. That said, Dellavedova took the bulk of Jack's minutes and the team looked better for it. Those of you hoping Jack is phased out May soon get your wish.

I noticed he has a bit of the Christian Eyenga syndrome, watching the big screen and looking out into the crowd during timeouts.

Anyways, I think this will all take care of itself soon enough. Eventually we'll be far enough out of the playoff picture where the young guys will get more burn when games aren't considered must wins. I don't think we'll see the "injuries" down the stretch this season that we have in years past, but we will see some vets phased out in favor of the young guys...at least I hope so or else the tail end of March and the games in April will be brutal to watch.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Re: Sergey Karasev - #10 - the Invisible Shotmaker!

He is 19 years old. NINETEEN. We can wait, yes. But damn, we should just left him in Euroleague to further his development than him going against the same players day in day out.