Four Team Deal Sends Howard to Lakers

[tn819]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Sounds like Cavs management doing damage control through Lloyd in case something doesn't work out. Leaks are assuredly coming from other sources and perhaps undermining our bargaining position. This is all a delicate chess game of PR and bargaining positions. We need to stay cool and reassure our rookies they are still wanted if this doesn't pan out. If management can walk away from this with Bynum, the situation will have been handled well. Otherwise we just want to keep the players we have happy.

 

[godfather]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Sources just repeat each other and fans believe what they want to believe. It is way more likely that Lloyd is right and this is just a rumor and nothing else.

I'm not blaming Lloyd. I appreciate he's covering this story as best as he can. I'm not saying he's lying and the agent didn't say this. I totally believe that, but that doesn't mean the agent isn't feeding some BS, and has some other agenda on his plate.

 

[wuck]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Also, interesting to keep in mind... Wasn't there a quote provided yesterday from Anthony Tolliver's agent that the Cavs were interested in his client, but because of current trade negotiations the team had to see where they were at financially before moving forward. I'm just paraphrasing, but it does seem like there are those whom report the Cavs being actively involved in trade discussions, while others try to downplay it.

Yes, that has been reported. Some S&T candidates on Houston/Cleveland have also not yet signed contracts.

 

[Green Lantern]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

In a normal situation, an agent could talk off the record, or could say "Bynum is a Laker / no comment." Maybe they want everyone one to know that the person who holds a great deal of weight in the current situation is Bynum (which is true), but this seemed like a rather odd way to do that. Talking to an Akron beat reporter? Really? I'm not saying he didn't say it. That is just weird.

Perhaps this got leaked out before anyone wanted it to and something is in the works..or agent is trying to leverage LA to give AB a max contract..
I don't but I agree it does sound weird..he's denying everything for a reason.

 

[wuck]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

or agent is trying to leverage LA to give AB a max contract.

Sure, seems like he is trying to leverage LA or someone/something.

 

[sailfish]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

I'm not blaming Lloyd. I appreciate he's covering this story as best as he can. I'm not saying he's lying and the agent didn't say this. I totally believe that, but that doesn't mean the agent isn't feeding some BS, and has some other agenda on his plate.

Sorry guys, but I'm siding with Lloyd.
He's the one guy who has been close to the Cavaliers' situation.
He said they wouldn't trade up to #2...they didn't.
He said the trade involving Orlando-Brooklyn-Cleveland wasn't nearly as far advanced as what was reported...he was right.
Now, he says there isn't much substance to the reported 3-team deal between the Orlando-LA-Cleveland.
He may not be delivering a message that we want to hear, but we need to hear it. He's obviously very clued in.

 

[BooyaCS]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Sure, seems like he is trying to leverage LA or someone/something.

There are a ton of Rumors flying around right now on twitter. Newest one I am seeing from an LA author...

Steve Weinstein ‏@steveweinstein
Report is #DwightHoward to Lakers. Bynum to Cleveland. Varejao plus picks to Orlando. Will Orlando pull the trigger & end their nightmare?

 

[4thOfJuly]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Sorry guys, but I'm siding with Lloyd.
He's the one guy who has been close to the Cavaliers' situation.
He said they wouldn't trade up to #2...they didn't.
He said the trade involving Orlando-Brooklyn-Cleveland wasn't nearly as far advanced as what was reported...he was right.
Now, he says there isn't much substance to the reported 3-team deal between the Orlando-LA-Cleveland.
He may not be delivering a message that we want to hear, but we need to hear it. He's obviously very clued in.

If Lloyd is right, that obviously means Woj was wrong.

How often is Woj wrong?

Just hard to imagine.

 

[Rich]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

What is new about that? Guy is just tweeting the bucher article from earlier.

 

[Anglefan]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

There are a ton of Rumors flying around right now on twitter. Newest one I am seeing from an LA author...

But who the hell is that? Anybody can say anything.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Above all, the Cavs are not likely interested in doing anything that messes with their long term building plans. They do have extra picks to get a piece like Bynum and they might be willing to part with them for the right price, but they also have the cap space to be able to do a S&T to get Bynum directly from the Lakers (or whoever) after the season without having to trade a big contract back.

I think one reason that they have loaded up on picks is to be able to use them in S&T deals after this season with Bynum and Josh Smith being two young targets they can aim for. They could also unload a few assets this year for additional picks (Varejao being a big one, Gibson possibly netting a late first rounder if he has a decent enough season and can help someone). That puts them in a position to give Bynum max money and give the Lakers some firsts. Same for Atlanta.

From the Cavs perspective, trading the assets that they may have been willing to use to accomplish the same task is a no-brainer. And it could be that way even if they don't get a guarantee from Bynum. And this actually helps them in their aim to keep Bynum due to the new rules. Even in a sign & trade, raises are reduced compared to if a player extends or re-signs with his current team. They drop down to the 4.5% that a team signing him away could pay. So, even without a commitment, the Cavs would be able to offer serious financial advantages for him to stay.

 

[BooyaCS]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

But who the hell is that? Anybody can say anything.

IDK just some writer from LA. There are a bunch of tweets coming out of the LA area that are saying the same thing. Only Cleveland and Orlando are tweeting that nothing is close. I just find it odd that coming out of LA that is the vibe (DH to LA, Bynum to CLE, AV to Orlando with picks and cap relief).

Yet the only one denying that rumor is Jason Loyd in Cleveland.

 

[sailfish]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

If Lloyd is right, that obviously means Woj was wrong.

How often is Woj wrong?

Just hard to imagine.

Woj wasn't necessarily wrong unless he reported a trade was near.
The teams talked, which, in and of itself, is not unusual.
A deal wasn't all that close, which is the discrepancy.
If a deal was at all close the Cavaliers certainly would have spoken with Bynum's agent and that hasn't happened.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

If Lloyd is right, that obviously means Woj was wrong.

How often is Woj wrong?

Just hard to imagine.

Hes wrong all the time. Hes the first to report lots of deals but also first to report lots of deals that never happen.

 

[MalTalm]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

If Lloyd is right, that obviously means Woj was wrong.

How often is Woj wrong?

Just hard to imagine.

Not necessarily. Woj got news from one source, Lloyd got news from a different one.

It used to be a news story was only broken if there was a second source to corroborate a story, but in the frenzied first-to-report media we have nowadays, a reporter will pass information along even if they only have 1 source to substantiate a rumor. As Wuck noted earlier, Bynum's agent has a singular agenda: Andrew Bynum. It's possible he reported teams with cap room to Woj a few weeks back so that the Lakers would feel pressure to publicly affirm a max contract for Bynum, or to gain leverage in trade talks. Here we are now, and Bynum's agent feels the need to slow down this process, and effectively point out that Bynum has not been able to weigh in on any potential trade yet.

I don't think either Woj or Lloyd are wrong, rather we have at least 5 parties involved in this deal, all with a desire to leverage their agenda. Dwight and Bynum can't negotiate directly in trade talks, so they use leverage with the general public. This entire rumor is predicated on Bynum wanting to play in Cleveland, but if he'd rather go to Houston they'll be the team that gets him. Dwight picked his team, perhaps this is Bynum's agent's way of saying his player deserves to get to pick his destination as well.