Four Team Deal Sends Howard to Lakers

[sailfish]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

IDK just some writer from LA. There are a bunch of tweets coming out of the LA area that are saying the same thing. Only Cleveland and Orlando are tweeting that nothing is close. I just find it odd that coming out of LA that is the vibe (DH to LA, Bynum to CLE, AV to Orlando with picks and cap relief).

Yet the only one denying that rumor is Jason Loyd in Cleveland.

What happens is one media outlet reports the rumor and then tons of others jump on it, as though they have something new to offer, when, in actuality, they really don't. They're just piggy-backing on someone else's report.
That's all Steve Weinstein and others are doing. He's regurgitating the ESPN report.

 

[4thOfJuly]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Woj wasn't necessarily wrong unless he reported a trade was near.
The teams talked, which, in and of itself, is not unusual.
A deal wasn't all that close, which is the discrepancy.
If a deal was at all close the Cavaliers certainly would have spoken with Bynum's agent and that hasn't happened.

Woj wrote an article saying Bynum's list of teams included Dallas and Cleveland. Lloyd was saying no on Cleveland.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Jones signed his contract. They can only trade Lamb and White. Also what are the potential salaries since trades have to match up salary-wise.

Not to mention Houston is 10M under the cap and Cleveland is 26M. We have more cap flexibility to take on Richardson or Hedo than the Rockets do.

Fair enough.

The salaries for unsigned rookies don't matter. It's just like trading a draft pick. You never hear about the cap implications when a team over the cap picks up a first. They don't have to be accounted for salary wise. They only have to be accounted for after a contract is signed.

As for Richardson and Hedo, we also don't want to ruin future cap flexibility. This is tricky because Bynum signing an extension being a condition of us taking on salary doesn't work out best for Bynum if he's extended beforehand. Like the new S&T rule, annual raises are limited to 4.5% of the first year salary. If he signs an extension AFTER a trade then his raises are 7.5% and he can extend for four years.

 

[Phills14]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Woj wasn't necessarily wrong unless he reported a trade was near.
The teams talked, which, in and of itself, is not unusual.
A deal wasn't all that close, which is the discrepancy.
If a deal was at all close the Cavaliers certainly would have spoken with Bynum's agent and that hasn't happened.

I can appreciate Lloyd's research on this subject. He is talking to people who should be in the know, including Bynum's agent, however they may not want to tell him any bit of information. These talks are obviously sensitive so if indeed Bynum wants to do this, it's to no advantage of Bynum's camp to release information and potentially break up the deal. Sport agents and GMs are very shrewd individuals who only tell the truth when it's good for them so the fact that Bynum's agent is all but refuting this rumor doesn't mean anything to me.

The talks are real, don't kid yourself. A deal is being discussed, how far it is and how far it goes, only a select few know at this point and those in the know probably aren't in the media.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Why do I keep coming back to this thread? I've wasted enough time in here today.

 

[BooyaCS]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

What happens is one media outlet reports the rumor and then tons of others report it, as though they have something new to offer, when, in actuality, they really don't. They're just piggy-backing on someone else's report.

Right which I am not disagreeing with you on. However I just find it odd that Cleveland and Orlando are the only 2 places denying the rumor. Also the hold-up may be that Orlando wants Bynum and they want a third team involved to take the bad contracts from the lakers and magic.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

I haven't really seen anything yet to say Jason LLoyd is in the inside track more or less than anyone else. It's really easy to report that something won't happen and be right, because the percentage of most of these things happening is always low.

Once Lloyd starts bringing some knowledge of stuff that actually happens like Windy used to then I'll put my eggs in his basket.

Until them until Woj tweets it, im skeptical.

 

[4thOfJuly]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

‏@AlexKennedyNBA

It will probably be a few days before Dwight Howard is traded. The Magic will hire a coach (likely Jacque Vaughn) and then weigh options.

^ figures

 

[dozerbuck]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

[Head pops in on Grant and Gilbert]

I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

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[godfather]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Let's get one thing straight, Woj never reported anything about the Cavs and Bynum. He reported about the Cavs, Magic, and Nets deal. Check his twitter, he's on vacation.

Alex Kennedy broke the rumor about the Bynum deal. He's not said anything since.

 

[sailfish]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

I can appreciate Lloyd's research on this subject. He is talking to people who should be in the know, including Bynum's agent, however they may not want to tell him any bit of information. These talks are obviously sensitive so if indeed Bynum wants to do this, it's to no advantage of Bynum's camp to release information and potentially break up the deal. Sport agents and GMs are very shrewd individuals who only tell the truth when it's good for them so the fact that Bynum's agent is all but refuting this rumor doesn't mean anything to me.

The talks are real, don't kid yourself. A deal is being discussed, how far it is and how far it goes, only a select few know at this point and those in the know probably aren't in the media.

Do you think the Cavaliers would give up the kind of assets it would take to land Bynum without talking to his agent and seeing that he would agree to an extension first??
I think this whole rumor is being overplayed to get Houston to up their offer. They are the one team that really has the most to offer & they seem the most desperate. I fully expect Houston to be involved in the Howard deal in some way, shape, or form.

 

[4thOfJuly]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Let's get one thing straight, Woj never reported anything about the Cavs and Bynum. He reported about the Cavs, Magic, and Nets deal. Check his twitter, he's on vacation.

Alex Kennedy broke the rumor about the Bynum deal. He's not said anything since.

Again for the 7th time, Woj reported that Bynum's list of cities included Cleveland.

Lloyd is saying that Cleveland was never the case.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets-emerge-again-as-strong-contender-to-land-dwight-howard.html

Woj:

Bynum, 24, has one year left on his Lakers contract, and has a short list of potential teams with cap space and supporting casts that primarily include the Dallas Mavericks and Houston Rockets with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

That's all the argument was about.

We're not debating whether Woj mentioned the CLE involvement, just said CLE was on Bynum's list. Woj has been on vacation (said so in his twitter) when the ORL-LAL-CLE deal leaked out.

 

[ricezilla]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Orlando always wanted Bynum, they just couldn't get the Lakers to take back any bad contracts. That's why all these third team are starting to come up in rumors.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--m...-target-in-potential-dwight-howard-trade.html

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nb...ndrew-bynum-in-potential-dwight-howard-trade/

The end of the day I'm thinking it will be a direct trade between the Lakers and Magic.

 

[Reeko_Htown]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

If we can't get Howard I hope you don't get Bynum. His knees and attitude are ticking time bombs. Houston doesn't want him either.

 

[BooyaCS]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor (Dwight says he'll re-sign longterm in LA)

Fair enough.

The salaries for unsigned rookies don't matter. It's just like trading a draft pick. You never hear about the cap implications when a team over the cap picks up a first. They don't have to be accounted for salary wise. They only have to be accounted for after a contract is signed.

As for Richardson and Hedo, we also don't want to ruin future cap flexibility. This is tricky because Bynum signing an extension being a condition of us taking on salary doesn't work out best for Bynum if he's extended beforehand. Like the new S&T rule, annual raises are limited to 4.5% of the first year salary. If he signs an extension AFTER a trade then his raises are 7.5% and he can extend for four years.

Hedo has 2 years left on his contract. This year at 11M and next year (not sure about the numbers). Jason Richardson has 3 years left but only 5.8M for this season.

Even if we pick up Hedo we can amnesty him next season as well and not worry about the cap implications from that.

My question about the draft picks that Houston has then. Dwight and Bynum are under contract. Since Houston has a bunch of first rounders (Lamb, White, Jones) they would still have to match salary going out. That would mean Kevin Martin to Orlando for 1 season. The issue is what does Orlando want? If it is draft picks to rebuild then Cleveland has a lot of draft picks (from the Miami trade as well as our own). Whereas Houston only has their own draft picks.

Now Orlando can play Davis at the C position for one year and hope the ping pong balls go their way to get Noel or Cody Zeller