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Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Anybody know anything about the Asik offer?

The Rockets signed him to a 3-year, $25 million offer sheet....the Bulls have 3 days to match, I think the deadline for them to match is sometime this weekend. But, I don't know when the Bulls received the offer sheet.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Anybody know anything about the Asik offer?

Asik is expected to get the offer sheet to sign today. Chicago will have 72hours to match.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

The Rockets signed him to a 3-year, $25 million offer sheet....the Bulls have 3 days to match, I think the deadline for them to match is sometime this weekend. But, I don't know when the Bulls received the offer sheet.

I can't imagine the Bulls matching that. $8 mil per year for a bench player? No thanks.
 
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I can't imagine the Bulls matching that. $8 mil per year for a bench player? No thanks.

Houston is so misguided. In 3 years, they'll be paying Lin and Asik nearly a combined $30 million. That's a great way to drive your team into a shit hole. Overrated PG and a 4th big. Wow. 72 hours, I would guess it'd take Chicage about 3.2 seconds to decide.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Sorry if it's already posted.

Dwight Howard's agent responded to a report from RealGM's Jarrod Rudolph that his client would commit long-term to the Lakers if traded to the franchise.

"Dwight's position has remained unchanged since the end of this past season," said Dan Fegan of LaGardere Unlimited. "He fully intends to explore free agency at the end of next season, regardless of what team trades for him, including Brooklyn."

Howard had previously only wanted to be traded to the Nets, but sources told RealGM that he was ready to commit to the Lakers. Howard wouldn't sign an extension, but wait until the summer of 2013 to sign a new deal worth as much as $108 million over five seasons.

Via Ric Bucher/ESPN

You've got to be shitting me.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Sorry if it's already posted.



You've got to be shitting me.

Here we have it folks. Dwight Howard is going to cock block us from getting Andrew Bynum. I thought I already hated DivaDwight enough but I guess not..
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Yep.....this came out yesterday. Agents are being mighty "agenty", if you will.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Hopefully people realize that there are such things as "back channels". Urban Meyer got hired in a week, if you believe when he was "officially contacted".

The Lakers directly talking to Howard, the Cavs directly talking to Bynum, or any team talking to any player of another is prohibited. So you send a message through unofficial ack channels. When agents say, "we've never had conversations", it is true that they haven't had any face-to-face, direct meetings. But be assured the back channels have seen major traffic.

Does it mean for sure a deal will get done? Not at all. But that does mean an official denial of communications isn't worth a cup of warm spit.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I feel like the Lakers and Cavs are the only FO's that have any sense of stability right now. The Lakers have put together a championship contending roster, with or without Dwight. Would he be nice, sure. But Andrew Bynum is also a star and is just fine. Meanwhile, would the Cavs love to get Bynum? Of course. I think they'll do it without an extension, because they know Bynum wants THE MAX and by having his bird rights we would be the only team capable of getting him that. Of course, if we just stay the course, that's fine as well (even though I'd rather have Bynum). Save our assets for another star.

To me, the teams that are desperate are Houston and Orlando. Houston thinks Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik hogging up more than a 4th of your cap space is a good idea, and really thinks selling the farm for a season of DH12 is worth it. That offer Pingalore mentioned surely cannot be true, as it is beyond ridiculous, but if it were, would show how desperate/dumb the Rockets are. Orlando is also desperate. It's futile, because as each day passes, their leverage decreases. If this dragged into the season, with DH12 receiving DNP-CD's, it would almost be amusing to see him walk for nothing, and be left with 3-4 albatross contracts. Orlando also thinks they can seemingly rebuild on the fly, even if Hennigan is an OKC guy. I'm sorry, but a bunch of teens draft picks are not going to make you good, and because you have 6 or 7 of them you will not tank. However, Luke Walton, a raw TT, taking on bad contracts, and an oft-injured Boobie Gibson can help you tank, big time.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Orlando is going to be severely disappointed. The value of other top trades did not produce what Orlando is looking for. The longer they wait, the less value Howard becomes. The only value trade was for Paul which resulted in Gordon and mid-first due to him saying he will stay for two years with the clippers. One year rentals will give them less.

Houston is in a bind because they want Howard yet know if they give up everything in a trade, Howard will not stay. And if they try for Bynum, they will give up just a little less and only get the second best player in the trade. Plus, they don't want to give up Lamb or Mot. due to having nothing else.

I will laugh if Houston makes a trade and then we offer Howard/Bynum a S&T max contract next year and only give up Sac pick and 2015 Miami pick to Houston, ala Lebron trade. Neither will stay in Houston if their second best player is Lin/Lamb when they can play with Irving.

The best trade for all is LA/CLE trade. Houston can offer more but not by much. Toronto pick is going to be 10-15 range with Ross/V/Lowry. It has almost the same value of Sac pick as it may not come due for a few years with East teams sucking, allowing Toronto to fight for 8th seed. And, V should give Orlando a mid-first plus some. Heck rumor had us trading with GS for the 7th.

So, Grant, hold to your guns, V, Sac pick, 2013 Miami pick, Orlando picks and nothing else. Orlando wants pics not players as they want to win lottery and Houston rookies could make them better than Char. and Wash.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Let me ask a question:
say AB comes to Cleveland for 2012-13 season, is healthy all year, and puts up numbers at his career averages. Is he then a 'no-brainer" for a Max Deal Bird-Right Contract ? Is that a universal "yes"---or, are there dissenters ?
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Just trying to summarize

Howard wants to go to Brooklyn
Houston and Lakers want Howard. Howard likely will not resign with Houston
Lakers would make Bynum part of a 3-way trade.
Houston and Cleveland are only teams with cap space, resources to make 3-way trade
Houston most likely does not want Bynum
Trade is stalled because nobody knows Bynum's intentions at the end of the season and nobody can know until Lakers give permission to talk
Orlando wants equal value in a trade, but has no leverage

This is going to end badly for one team. Most likely Orlando


Here's how I'm reading the lay:



Orlando

Advantages:
They have the most talented player in the proposed trade, therefore they are the ones who ultimately have the finger on the trigger. They have a GM who was savvy enough to avoid being strong-armed by both Howard and New Jersey in the first deal. They have created a situation where both the Rockets and the Cavs are interested in getting involved to make a deal work.

Disadvantages:
Howard needs to be gone by training camp no matter the quality of the deal. Other teams have the luxury of walking away.



Los Angeles

Advantages:
It seems Dwight Howard wants to end up with the Lakers long term. The Nets have priced themselves out of making a run at Howard in free agency next year, leaving LA as the clear #1 destination. They have two very good big men on the trading block, so it's not like they have nothing to offer. They also have Ric Bucher in their back pocket. Every ESPN rumor that leaks from here on out is probably going to help LA in their quest to end up with Howard.

Disadvantages:
They are short on assets outside of dangling Bynum and (if needed) Gasol. I suppose they might call a sign and trade with Jordan Hill an asset, but Hill isn't really that good. McRoberts is their only expiring contract, which is only 3.1 million. Without picks and expirings, they are just a team with a huge team payroll who free agents would like to play for, provided a third team does them a solid.



Houston

Advantages:
Very quietly, they have set themselves up as the perfect match for a trade with Orlando's needs. They drafted to be great trade partners for Orlando, according to at least one source. They bulldozed their roster, waiving three players including arguably their best in Scola, just to be in a position to make this deal work. The only center on their roster is Josh Harrellson with Asik as a possible rotational big as well. They are into this thing whole horse, full throttle.

Disadvantages:
Howard doesn't want to play for Houston. I haven't seen anything that says Bynum is interested in playing for Houston. While they may have all the assets to make a trade happen, this is still a league where star players have an incredible amount of leverage in getting to preferred destinations. They also need Orlando to make the final decision in the parameters of the trade.



Cleveland

Advantages:
If you believe the articles coming out, Bynum is at least somewhat interested in being a part of the Cavaliers future. Byron Scott and Kyrie Irving have made Cleveland a better landing spot than they were the last two years and possibly longer. They can also say, "Screw it, we are building through the draft" if Orlando is asking for too much. I also think the Lakers would prefer a three way deal to making a deal with a past Western rival in Houston, but that is just speculation.

Disadvantages:
I don't think they have the same assets that Houston has, and I don't think they are as willing to do whatever it takes to make this deal happen the way Houston has been gunning for inclusion in this deal. I don't think Orlando really wants to see the Cavs improve as much as they would like to see Houston or another Western Conference team get better. At the end of the day, Houston and Los Angeles can feel more confident that a star will resign with their franchises after a contract is played out while Cleveland might toss all these assets at Bynum just to see him pull a Carlos Boozer and split.
 
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At the end of the day, Houston and Los Angeles can feel more confident that a star will resign with their franchises after a contract is played out while Cleveland might toss all these assets at Bynum just to see him pull a Carlos Boozer and split.

Can you park that comment next to these posters who think that COULD NEVER happen??
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Here's how I'm reading the lay:



Orlando

Advantages:
They have the most talented player in the proposed trade, therefore they are the ones who ultimately have the finger on the trigger. They have a GM who was savvy enough to avoid being strong-armed by both Howard and New Jersey in the first deal. They have created a situation where both the Rockets and the Cavs are interested in getting involved to make a deal work.

Disadvantages:
Howard needs to be gone by training camp no matter the quality of the deal. Other teams have the luxury of walking away.



Los Angeles

Advantages:
It seems Dwight Howard wants to end up with the Lakers long term. The Nets have priced themselves out of making a run at Howard in free agency next year, leaving LA as the clear #1 destination. They have two very good big men on the trading block, so it's not like they have nothing to offer. They also have Ric Bucher in their back pocket. Every ESPN rumor that leaks from here on out is probably going to help LA in their quest to end up with Howard.

Disadvantages:
They are short on assets outside of dangling Bynum and (if needed) Gasol. I suppose they might call a sign and trade with Jordan Hill an asset, but Hill isn't really that good. McRoberts is their only expiring contract, which is only 3.1 million. Without picks and expirings, they are just a team with a huge team payroll who free agents would like to play for, provided a third team does them a solid.



Houston

Advantages:
Very quietly, they have set themselves up as the perfect match for a trade with Orlando's needs. They drafted to be great trade partners for Orlando, according to at least one source. They bulldozed their roster, waiving three players including arguably their best in Scola, just to be in a position to make this deal work. The only center on their roster is Josh Harrellson with Asik as a possible rotational big as well. They are into this thing whole horse, full throttle.

Disadvantages:
Howard doesn't want to play for Houston. I haven't seen anything that says Bynum is interested in playing for Houston. While they may have all the assets to make a trade happen, this is still a league where star players have an incredible amount of leverage in getting to preferred destinations. They also need Orlando to make the final decision in the parameters of the trade.



Cleveland

Advantages:
If you believe the articles coming out, Bynum is at least somewhat interested in being a part of the Cavaliers future. Byron Scott and Kyrie Irving have made Cleveland a better landing spot than they were the last two years and possibly longer. They can also say, "Screw it, we are building through the draft" if Orlando is asking for too much. I also think the Lakers would prefer a three way deal to making a deal with a past Western rival in Houston, but that is just speculation.

Disadvantages:
I don't think they have the same assets that Houston has, and I don't think they are as willing to do whatever it takes to make this deal happen the way Houston has been gunning for inclusion in this deal. I don't think Orlando really wants to see the Cavs improve as much as they would like to see Houston or another Western Conference team get better. At the end of the day, Houston and Los Angeles can feel more confident that a star will resign with their franchises after a contract is played out while Cleveland might toss all these assets at Bynum just to see him pull a Carlos Boozer and split.

Great read Keys. I hope Bryon and Kyrie can sway Bynum and he'll end up in Cleveland sooner than later. You really think Houston would feel more confident than us (in terms of re-signing him for 2013 and beyond)? Maybe from a fans perspective I can see your point.....but I'm not so sure.
 
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Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Asik is a center that just got a 3 year, $25 million contract to play center. That's starter salary, and about equal to what they freed up releasing Scola. Why did they release a productive starting PF and sign a center to a starters salary if the plan is to gut the team for another center?
 

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