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Game: 31| Cavs @ Heat | Tues, Dec. 30th 7:30pm [et]
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I'd like to see us identify a pattern for some of the losses that we've incurred this season. One thing I've notice is that later in the season we were being destroyed by the three ball.
In the three losses after our 1-2 start our perimeter defending really didn't seem that great. I mean, freaking Rasheed Wallace, Joe Johnson + Mike Bibby, and now Mario Chalmers all had terrific games against us.
In the three losses after our 1-2 start our perimeter defending really didn't seem that great. I mean, freaking Rasheed Wallace, Joe Johnson + Mike Bibby, and now Mario Chalmers all had terrific games against us.
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While I don't tend to fall for the "Sky is falling" line of reasoning, I do have to agree with some of the other more critical opinions of the Cavaliers that have been posted. This is the third game in a row, but one of several others where LeBron showed up to play and didn't have a #2 option to fall back on..
I know the trade deadline isn't til February, and I know our assets only appreciate in value as that date approaches; but damn --- this is really annoying!! All I can do is watch painfully as we lose games like this that were easily winnable. Amazingly we got outscored by 15 points in the first quarter... Would that have happened with a Carter or Salmons as our starting #2? Doubt it..
Yeah it's only 5 losses and yes, we're still #2 in the league BUT -- I don't personally feel we're better than Boston or the Lakers. I think they have just much better teams, talent-wise. We need to fix that disparity if a title is in our future. Until then, I think this is a wake-up call for all of us, the pessimistic ones, and those of us with our heads somewhat in the clouds.
I know the trade deadline isn't til February, and I know our assets only appreciate in value as that date approaches; but damn --- this is really annoying!! All I can do is watch painfully as we lose games like this that were easily winnable. Amazingly we got outscored by 15 points in the first quarter... Would that have happened with a Carter or Salmons as our starting #2? Doubt it..
Yeah it's only 5 losses and yes, we're still #2 in the league BUT -- I don't personally feel we're better than Boston or the Lakers. I think they have just much better teams, talent-wise. We need to fix that disparity if a title is in our future. Until then, I think this is a wake-up call for all of us, the pessimistic ones, and those of us with our heads somewhat in the clouds.
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We lost and i lost my voice yelling at the damn tv the whole game lol. I think everyone could sense a bad game like this coming. Hopefully they can just regroup and figure some things out. But we could definitely use another scorer whether its a starter or just someone off the bench. And i know Z isn't completely healthy and Miami was covering him well for we won't get those easy pick and pop looks. But why didn't we post him up much? I saw a couple of attempts but the floor spacing was horrible. All the shooters should of went to the other side of the floor for Z can get a clean entry pass but we didn't do a good job at all with that.
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Wally/Sasha/Daniel....
Which one (or two) is going to step up in the 2nd half of the season?
Wally is expected to get traded, but if not he needs to continue to knock down the jumper and get rebounds. Continue to post up the other SF if it's a mismatch. He is the least of the 3 that is expected to be big come playoff time. He is declining in his game with each year coming by but he isn't expected to do much, just shoot and rebound.
Sasha was a question mark earlier in the season. Back in the first game when him and Paul Pierce got into each others face and got technicals, I thought Sasha was going to be a valuable piece off the bench that wasn't afraid of no-one. Boy was I wrong... He is still a tough player but his confidence is not there and he is looking like dead-weight on the court. He at least tried to put the ball on the floor tonight but he is so inconsistent it's crazy.
He has had chance after chance, when Gibson got injured he played under control but didn't explode into 10-15 point games to earn playing time and now Szczerbiak is out and he is actually playing worse in these 2 Miami games. I WAS a big fan of Sasha back 2 years ago and I thought last year was just an injury-ridden year, but this year he just hasn't shown in. He is shooting under 40% from the field and 34% from 3, he can do better but if he doesn't he will see his last year in Cleveland.
Daniel "Boobie" Gibson is a streaky shooter....STREAKY STREAKY SHOOTER. The thing with Gibson is, if he's not knocking down his shot, he brings nothing else to the table. That is why I wanted Sasha to get more time but Sasha has been playing worse so who else is left on the bench? You can't expect Kinsey to get minutes right now so Gibson or Sasha needs to step up. I have hope for Gibson because his shooting form is too pure but for every good game has has, he has 3 more of mediocore. Just keep your head up Gibson, we're going to need a 3PT shooter come playoff time!
Which one (or two) is going to step up in the 2nd half of the season?
Wally is expected to get traded, but if not he needs to continue to knock down the jumper and get rebounds. Continue to post up the other SF if it's a mismatch. He is the least of the 3 that is expected to be big come playoff time. He is declining in his game with each year coming by but he isn't expected to do much, just shoot and rebound.
Sasha was a question mark earlier in the season. Back in the first game when him and Paul Pierce got into each others face and got technicals, I thought Sasha was going to be a valuable piece off the bench that wasn't afraid of no-one. Boy was I wrong... He is still a tough player but his confidence is not there and he is looking like dead-weight on the court. He at least tried to put the ball on the floor tonight but he is so inconsistent it's crazy.
He has had chance after chance, when Gibson got injured he played under control but didn't explode into 10-15 point games to earn playing time and now Szczerbiak is out and he is actually playing worse in these 2 Miami games. I WAS a big fan of Sasha back 2 years ago and I thought last year was just an injury-ridden year, but this year he just hasn't shown in. He is shooting under 40% from the field and 34% from 3, he can do better but if he doesn't he will see his last year in Cleveland.
Daniel "Boobie" Gibson is a streaky shooter....STREAKY STREAKY SHOOTER. The thing with Gibson is, if he's not knocking down his shot, he brings nothing else to the table. That is why I wanted Sasha to get more time but Sasha has been playing worse so who else is left on the bench? You can't expect Kinsey to get minutes right now so Gibson or Sasha needs to step up. I have hope for Gibson because his shooting form is too pure but for every good game has has, he has 3 more of mediocore. Just keep your head up Gibson, we're going to need a 3PT shooter come playoff time!
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Well here I am to spread some sunlight. The cavs started horribly. They were dribbling around forever on offense and not challenging shots on d. BUT, I thought they willed their effort to be better in the 2nd half. Outside of Lebron, no one was really rolling, but we played really well against that man to man by persistently attacking the hoop. Obviously, we need practice against the zone, but I'm happy with our effort. I also thinks this highlights a bench issue which is that we have no guard off the bench who can reliably get to the hoop.
Anyway, I actually feel better following this game than I did after we beat the heat on Christmas. It's the first time in a while where I've seen the cavs have really good focus.
Anyway, I actually feel better following this game than I did after we beat the heat on Christmas. It's the first time in a while where I've seen the cavs have really good focus.
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Orlandos 3ball game is really sick when their falling....by far the cavs worst matchup.
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Well based on yor logic the Lakers and the Celtics need to trade half there teams also
LA lost to Sacramento
Boston lost to LA and Golden State
And they have lost some more games on the road
We are undefeated at home and no one else is. Ya man we must be really terrible since we have lost 5 games on the road this year to good teams. We havent lost a game at home. We havent lost to a bad team. Boston and LA have.
We have lost 5 games and you suggest trading half the teams. You are the perfect example of a fan who knows nothing about the game.
We are off to one of the best (if not the best) starts in franchise history and you suggest trading half the team.
I do think we need to trade Wally, Sasha, pick(s) for someone but trading half the team would just be stupid right now
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I will say we've appreciated having you on board for this back-to-back...
Now GTFO!
:chuckles::chuckles::chuckles:
Just kidding, but did you see my post about 10 pages back asking you who the Heat announcer was that pronounced Mario Chalmers' name as Mario Chommers?
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yeah I think the guy is like half spanish half irish and a pint of unknown. You should see this guy pronounced YAKUBA DIAWARA from the heat bench, sounds like he says yocuba diarreah
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When I see Dwade and Chalmers got the same amount of points you know something is not right. We did not respect him tonight and he burnt us. We did a great job containing Wade, but teh other guys hurt us. Marion was very active, and Ben let him slip by some.
I really think we should let Z rest some. Maybe he has to work through it, but I was looking for it and he really cannot recover. He needs to get better. This is the first time in a long while where his shot is not falling. How did he do it in Denver?
Things are going to get better, we just have to establish the magic again.
I really think we should let Z rest some. Maybe he has to work through it, but I was looking for it and he really cannot recover. He needs to get better. This is the first time in a long while where his shot is not falling. How did he do it in Denver?
Things are going to get better, we just have to establish the magic again.