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[Cavatt]

So, you're saying the blacklivesmatter sentiment is any different? This doesn't make sense, what you just wrote. Just as blacklivesmatter supporters are not making an outcry for white lives or asians or whomever.....it's a specific target.

Alllivesmatter isn't speaking out for anyone. They are against blacklivesmatter. Blacklivesmatter has a targetted mission. The other people being killed by police isn't their thing. I don't understand what you mean I guess. You would think that alllivesmatter would speak up on every death, but they don't say anything

 

[gourimoko]

Alllivesmatter isn't speaking out for anyone. They are against blacklivesmatter. Blacklivesmatter has a targetted mission. The other people being killed by police isn't their thing. I don't understand what you mean I guess. You would think that alllivesmatter would speak up on every death, but they don't say anything

You got it right man..

AllLivesMatter is essentially just a counterpoint to give to people uncomfortable with the idea that Black people are being targeted. They don't want to believe it, find the notion offensive (why?), and feel guilt... So, they reject the notion and by way of ignorance blurt out "All Lives Matter" because it seems the correct thing to say without realizing that by doing so, they're just drowning out a just cause.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Alllivesmatter isn't speaking out for anyone. They are against blacklivesmatter. Blacklivesmatter has a targetted mission. The other people being killed by police isn't their thing. I don't understand what you mean I guess. You would think that alllivesmatter would speak up on every death, but they don't say anything

I would disagree with your idea that "all lives matter" is against "black lives matter". I see it as more of an all encompassing response to black lives matter. I'm sure that there are black people who could attest to the "all lives matter" response as well.

Again, this garbage is exactly what the powers that be would prefer, to have its minions divided.

 

[gourimoko]

I would disagree with your idea that "all lives matter" is against "black lives matter". I see it as more of an all encompassing response to black lives matter. I'm sure that there are black people who could attest to the "all lives matter" response as well.

"All Lives Matter" is clearly against #BLM.

Here's a useful article on the subject:
"
In the Shadow of 'All Lives Matter'

1. In the shadow of 'All Lives Matter' is a form of willful colorblindness -- the erasure of the issue of race.

When people say "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter," they are not simply opening their arms to the greater diversity of humanity. Instead, they are taking race out of the conversation. While the statement masquerades as a bright and inclusive light, in the shadow of this statement hides a willful ignorance of America's racist past and present.

There is not doubt that racism exists today. The research evidence is vast, clear and widely available from differential stop and frisk rates, sentencing levels and job hiring.

A most telling statistic about the difference in the lack of valuation of a black life comes from a study conducted by Allan Collard-Wexler, an NYU Stern School economist: "[T]he cost of adopting a black baby needs to be $38,000 lower than the cost of a white baby, in order to make parents indifferent to race."

Adding insult to injury, asserting that all lives matter in response to black folks declaring that black lives matter, turns our eyes away from acknowledging America's racist past, functioning as a form of dismissal or denial.

Through the constitution, slavery and Jim Crow laws, America stood for the belief that some lives were more human, more worthy -- that some live mattered more. How can we forget that America codified in its constitution (the same constitution that some insist must be strictly and literally interpreted in its original form) the notion that a black life was only considered to be 3/5ths of a white life?

If we stop highlighting and focusing on black lives, but instead focus more globally and generally on all lives, then we become complicit in not seeing color as a factor in American life. Putting it simply, if we erase race, we won't see racism.

2. In the shadow of 'All Lives Matter' lurks the privilege white folks have to not experience their own lives in racial terms.

Let's face it, most white people don't regularly think about themselves as white. We are not made to think about our race, because we are not living in a pervasive systemic atmosphere that injures us because of our skin color. As such, we easily think of ourselves as a "just a person," as a human being belonging to the human family.

But when a person is regularly injured because of a quality, it is veritably impossible to enjoy the luxury of ignoring that quality. As a Jewish man, my Eastern European brothers and sisters could not ignore the fact that they were Jewish. If they "forgot," they were quickly reminded! Women in boardrooms, disabled people getting on a bus, gay teens at a high school dance, and black youth in a school cafeteria are all aware of their social identity; straight white able bodied males ignore their social identity.

They enjoy the privilege of being free from that concern. (See also Beverly Daniel Tatum's masterwork, Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?)

When a white person responds to the statement "Black Lives Matter" by countering with "All Lives Matter" they exhibit a blindness to the privilege of living outside of a painful and marginalizing lens that highlights their race; a privilege not enjoyed by black and brown people.

In the words of Jarune Uwujaren, "f you have trouble seeing race or are tired of people making things about race, realize that if they could, most people of color would ignore race too."

3. In the shadow of 'All Lives Matter' is an aggressive resistance to focusing on the value of black lives.

The statement, "All Lives Matter" did not arise in a vacuum. It was not born of a passion for the value of all life; it is not a world-wide social movement for justice. It was a response, a retort, a counter-point to the statement "Black Lives Matter." While not everyone utters these words with this intent, the phrase nonetheless functions as a dismissal.

As such, we cannot only evaluate it purely in terms of its accuracy (i.e, "Isn't it true that all lives matter? Wouldn't it be good to live in a world where all lives mattered?") or as a general statement of care for all beings, including black beings. It is not simply said as a matter of truth or a statement of values. Instead, it's a rebuttal to the statement "Black Lives Matter."

Instead of communicating a love for all beings, "All Lives Matter" are words of negation, repudiation, and refutation. They are words of debate; they are fighting words. What are the users of these words fighting? Simple: That Black lives matter!

On a personal note, beyond all logical argument, I confess to having my tears flow and my heart melt when I first went to the Black Lives Matter website and found recorded black voices completing the phrase "In a world where black lives matter, I imagine...." One particular recording was made by Satchel, a four year old black boy, whose sweet giggling joy erupted when he said, "In a world where black lives matter, I imagine there's a lot of tickling."

In a world that would resist or belittle the declaration that Black Lives Matter, that would censor those who speak out for the beauty, power, intelligence and moral authority of black people, I fear there would be far too many black children doing a lot less smiling, laughing and giggling and a lot more hungering for food, safety, and a sense of self worth."

Again, this garbage is exactly what the powers that be would prefer, to have its minions divided.

We are divided, Mar, because we stand unequal. There is no way to represent an unequal composition, without describing it through division.

Create equality and you'll remove such divisions.

 

[Lee]

Wait, so someone who chants "Black Lives Matter" is racist, but not someone who advances bigoted social policies like you have numerous times?

Saying "Black Lives Matter" is racist, but referencing "Buckwheat" when someone is talking about lesbian sex isn't?

Saying "Black Lives Matter" is racist, in and of itself? Do they not matter? I didn't know the saying was "Only Black Lives Matter."

Saying "Black Lives Matter" is racist, but defending the use of terms like "fag" and "tranny" is cool with you.

So a black guy walks into a bar where there is a white bartender and asks for a drink. Bartender looks at him as says no "Black Livers Matter"

Racist or hero?

 

[David.]

Alm is just as racially biased, divisive, and a back handed movement as blm

 

[Otsego Mar]

Race should be removed from the conversation.

As Morgan Freeman said, he wants you to stop referring to him as a black man and he will do the same for a white man, etc.

The more you continue to harp on it the more it rears its ugly head - and I'll say it again (to which you rejected) the media will have it no other way.

Does "not talking about it" mean that racism will magically go away? Certainly not.....but it's a start.

Blacklivesmatter, white power, black power, etc etc - THOSE ARE DISINGENIOUS PRODUCTS OF EGO.

We are not divided. We are only perceived to be so.

That's all I care to elaborate.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The negativity towards the movement comes when they chant "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon" like they were yesterday. That's not peaceful and I think that asserts that blue lives don't matter.

That chant happened at the Minnesota State Fair on Saturday. It's kind of sad that the bigger outcry was not over the actual chant, but rather over Hasselback's stupid condemnation of the movement as a whole while discussing that chant. And another cop shot again.

It was obvious where this was going weeks ago. Overheated rhetoric, and any attempts to put the shootings into the context of how rare they actually are being shouted down. Point out that the overwhelming majority of cops are not shooting black people, and you're insensitive at best, or more likely just a bigot.

Well, the desired image of a war on black people by police got through loud and clear, so these cop shootings should surprise nobody.

Mission accomplished.

 

[JSS2306]

Statistically this is not true, as I explained in my earlier post. Again we're not talking about crime rates, we're talking about why unarmed Black assailants are 3x more likely to get shot than White assailants.



And were killed because of it.

Whatever your interpretation of events, it doesn't erase the fact that if you are Black and unarmed, in any confrontation with police you are 3x more likely to get shot than if you were White.



No I don't. I've been very clear about this...

This is why I don't respond to your posts, because you're just using this discussion as a platform for your own racist agenda.

I think it's sad and quite pathetic that people even tolerate your presence. You disgust me.



Again, these issues are separate, yet you continue to want to conflate the two to obfuscate the issue that's being discussed.

You are delusional and lack any perspective whatsoever. It's a forum topic and I have my opinions.

You want to sidestep complex issues by marginalizing the other side of issues you stand for. You are as hateful and bigoted as anybody here and prove it with every controversial topic you post in.

Hate to break it to you but you have never walked a mile in a police officers shoes in crime ridden areas of the country so therefore your opinion of the police is pretty much fucking worthless. In the meantime, blacklivesmatters has alienated themselves and deservedly so. It's a movement until innocent people start dying and race remains the discourse.

There are arguments on both sides but you're too embedded into your ideology to take into account there are other sides to the stories. You're the walking, talking definition of racist.

 

[gourimoko]

Race should be removed from the conversation.

As Morgan Freeman said, he wants you to stop referring to him as a black man and he will do the same for a white man, etc.

The more you continue to harp on it the more it rears its ugly head - and I'll say it again (to which you rejected) the media will have it no other way.

Does "not talking about it" mean that racism will magically go away? Certainly not.....but it's a start.

Blacklivesmatter, white power, black power, etc etc - THOSE ARE DISINGENIOUS PRODUCTS OF EGO.

We are not divided. We are only perceived to be so.

That's all I care to elaborate.

Mar, what you're asking for is ridiculous if you think about it.

Thought experiment:

You take a group of people, all colored green.. You then plant these people onto an island, and change their color from purple to red or blue, and the shades between the two.

You establish a society almost entirely based on the color of the person, such that red people get privileges and rights and blue people are slaves.

You let this persist for many generations.

You then try to begin a process of equalizing these different people, the red and the blue. You recognize the rights of blue people, stop enslaving them, and recognize their right to vote. All things are equal right?

But in this society, you still have the generational, cultural, prejudices that allowed the red people to rationalize the dehumanization of the blue people.

Yes, there's no real scientific difference between them. They're the same people, for all practical purposes. But they don't view themselves this way.

Now, 400 years later, red people in your society are "tired" of the "complaining" and assert that "all things are already equal." Yet, by any statistical measure they are not.

So this mini-society we've created has two options available to it's people:

1) Recognize that blue people and red people are not equal in society, because as much as society has tried, it still has not created a completely equal system. Therefore, if the two peoples are not equal, then you can discuss and address the inequality. This would be recognizing that society cannot, at present, be colorblind because prejudice still exists.

2) Refuse to recognize that blue people and red people are not equal in society, because you believe that in doing so you work against the ultimate goal of equality. However, you run the risk of not even being able to address current issues, for the sake of a possible colorblind future when future generations are supposedly going to be colorblind.

Obviously, the rational choice here would be #1, and #2 would simply be dismissive of all of the people suffering in this society.

That's exactly where we are with this conversation; #BLM vs #ALM, and all of these issues honestly. So many folks, yes mostly White folks, don't really want to acknowledge the extreme disparity in our society. It makes them uncomfortable. So, they reject it, and just like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, any discussion pertaining to racial inequality.

It might seem noble to you, but it isn't; it's willfully ignorant. It's the same double-think you and I talk about all the time.

We don't have an equal society; so why pretend that we do?

 

[Lee]

 

[gourimoko]

You are delusional and lack any perspective whatsoever. It's a forum topic and I have my opinions.

And we'll leave it at this.

You want to sidestep complex issues by marginalizing the other side of issues you stand for. You are as hateful and bigoted as anybody here and prove it with every controversial topic you post in.

Of course... racist calls someone calling him racist what else? Yep, racist..

Hate to break it to you but you have never walked a mile in a police officers shoes

Nor would I want to..

in crime ridden areas of the country so therefore your opinion of the police is pretty much fucking worthless.

That goes for every person in this thread including you, dumbass.

In the meantime, blacklivesmatters has alienated themselves and deservedly so.

Alienated themselves from who? You? Lol... As if.. fuck outta here.

It's a movement until innocent people start dying and race remains the discourse.

For racists like yourself...

There are arguments on both sides but you're too embedded into your ideology to take into account there are other sides to the stories.

What other side? You haven't even argued against my points, you just talked about something completely different "in defense of cops."

You're the walking, talking definition of racist.

Lol... we don't believe you, you need more people.

 

[The Oi]

@gourimoko

Prove you're not racist.

 

[gourimoko]

@gourimoko

Prove you're not racist.

Prove that I've ever done/said anything remotely racist?

But, since we're on the topic. I think most would agree JSS is racist - I mean, I don't think that's in dispute any longer. Enough posters have said this, I don't think I need to say it again.

I said I wouldn't go back and forth with this guy on the first page, and so I won't; we've done that song and dance before and the conversation goes nowhere - eventually he just fades away.

What's more surprising is that you've got guys liking his posts, like @Pick6 ; a post calling me a racist. I'm racist for speaking out about racial inequality? I find that laugable, but predictable.

How am I being racist? What have I said that is remotely racist?

People want to say "don't call me by a color," or "judge them by their character," yet, I've constantly, diligently defended every race, every creed, every orientation on this site for 7 years.. yet I'm the bigot?

We do not live in an equal society; and there is racism everywhere, including the racists and racist supporters in this thread.

 

[JSS2306]

And we'll leave it at this.



Of course... racist calls someone calling him racist what else? Yep, racist..



Nor would I want to..



That goes for every person in this thread including you, dumbass.



Alienated themselves from who? You? Lol... As if.. fuck outta here.



For racists like yourself...



What other side? You haven't even argued against my points, you just talked about something completely different "in defense of cops."



Lol... we don't believe you, you need more people.

You have no argument.

Until the culture of homicide and crime is turned around in poor communities nothing of significance will change. Is that likely to happen when you're pointing the finger at the fucking police?

Fuck no. You know this so your job here is to call others racist and cry how this forum isn't diverse enough so people pity thumbs up your insignificant rambling.

The police fight crime. There's lots of crime in low income communities. It's not exactly surprising divisive issues are going to happen. That's just the reality of the world we live in but it doesn't mean we low ball and make villains out of the people who do mostly good for society. No where is anybody honoring the good the police do but they are sure quick to tear them down. When did this become cool? Hey this guy robbed a store and feloniously assaulted an officer seated in his vehicle... let's ruin the officers life and glorify the actions of the guy who got himself shot. The fuck?

I don't stand with you on this topic. Deal with it and move on.