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[Chris]

Gouri's black?

 

[Maximus]

I think a lot of people need to ask themselves why they feel such disdain for a movement where the sole purpose is to solve the issue of Black people being killed at a disproportionate rate by police and those police not being prosecuted.

BLM doesn't assert that White live don't matter

I believe that you think that's the sole purpose of the movement. I also believe that you think this is just about BLM, and that you think that white and blue lives matter.

The negativity towards the movement comes when they chant "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon" like they were yesterday. That's not peaceful and I think that asserts that blue lives don't matter.

 

[Maximus]

Manhunt underway for 3 guys outside of Chicago that just killed another cop.

 

[The Oi]

Gouri's black?

@gourimoko is black like Joseph's technicolor dreamcoat is red.

 

[Chris]

Manhunt underway for 3 guys outside of Chicago that just killed another cop.

Who the fuck are these people. What do they think they're doing/helping? Because I'm sure cops are going to ease up on the itchy trigger fingers knowing that they are being targeted, amirite?

 

[gourimoko]

I believe that you think that's the sole purpose of the movement. I also believe that you think this is just about BLM, and that you think that white and blue lives matter.

I do. I agree with all of this.

The negativity towards the movement comes when they chant "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon" like they were yesterday. That's not peaceful and I think that asserts that blue lives don't matter.

I'd agree with this too. That's definitely not helpful.. Nor is it helpful when many in the movement look to incite violence and rioting.

 

[gourimoko]

Who the fuck are these people. What do they think they're doing/helping? Because I'm sure cops are going to ease up on the itchy trigger fingers knowing that they are being targeted, amirite?

They are trying to bring about a confrontation..

They don't want cops to stop shooting, they want them to keep shooting..

Same rationale ISIS uses.. Attack to provoke a response.

 

[Maximus]

Who the fuck are these people. What do they think they're doing/helping? Because I'm sure cops are going to ease up on the itchy trigger fingers knowing that they are being targeted, amirite?

I don't have any details other than there is a manhunt for 3 males, 2 white and one black.

 

[gourimoko]

So how come you single out racists white cops but not black cops if you are in fact more scared of black cops?

You don't make any sense and you act like police brutality is black America's kryptonite when in reality if these same #blacklivesmatters folks were so worried about being brutalized why don't they mention the #1 culprit of brutality against black people?

Themselves.

Do you honestly expect me to respond to this?

You're an outright racist.. Nothing I say will make sense to you, so what's the point?

 

[JSS2306]

Do you honestly expect me to respond to this?

You're an outright racist.. Nothing I say will make sense to you, so what's the point?

Numbers make sense and the statistical probability of being killed by a cop are next to nil when compared to the #1 cause of death among African Americans ages 15-34: Homicide.

In 2011 homicide was the number one cause of death. That's an epidemic, gour. Forget the cops, what the hell is going on in the community where black American's are killing each other to the point that heart disease and accidents are outnumbered by murder?

 

[Cavatt]

Black Lives Matter, explained by a black guy..

Black people are targets of racism in numerous ways.

Leaving aside the gerrymandering of Black communities, the redlining of Black families, the higher hurdles to opportunity within society along numerous almost countless aspects of our racially inequitable society; Blacks still suffer from the stereotypical belief that they are inherently more dangerous.

We see this everyday... Even in this thread.

This results in Whites, Latinos and, yes, Black people, viewing African-Americans as greater threats than Whites or Asians. This translates in the disproportionate number of deaths of unarmed African-Americans.

Now, before someone says, African-Americans commit crimes at a larger rate; we're talking about equal treatment across the board for people suspected of committing some type of crime. So we're comparing White assailants vs Black assailants; not one race vs the other.

The problem is that there is a perception that African-Americans are dangerous, and so, you have people calling them "giants," "demons," "savages;" etc etc.. Saying Black teenagers are essentially adults, because of their comparative size.. etc.. etc.. the list goes on, and on and on...

Then we end up with the problem that cops who are videotaped killing Black people can't even be indicted by White grand juries. Which is really what brought about the BLM movement.

So many instances where cops don't even stand trial for their actions, and are protected by police, prosecutors, DAs; that is the very definition of institutional racism.

Now, does this only happen to Blacks? No, of course not.

There are numerous White victims of police brutality. In fact, roughly half (slight majority) of police shootings were against White assailants.

The issue here is when we discuss unarmed assailants. Two-thirds of unarmed assailants were minorities, and unarmed African-Americans were 3x more likely to be shot by police than White assailants.

So #BlackLivesMatter is about one specific issue - the targeting of African-Americans.

Lots of folks, for whatever reason, don't want to believe this could be true. But it is. And hence the movement.

I think a lot of people need to ask themselves why they feel such disdain for a movement where the sole purpose is to solve the issue of Black people being killed at a disproportionate rate by police and those police not being prosecuted.

But by saying "All Lives Matter" when someone says "Black Lives Matter" simply drowns out their specific concern with idealistic rhetoric rather than an acknowledgement of the issue. BLM doesn't assert that White live don't matter, or that Latino lives don't matter; in fact, those are considered a given to their argument. An argument which states that while all lives might matter in theory, in practice, some lives appear to matter more so than others for those who have the power to decide who lives and who dies.

Alllivesmatter is disingenuous because they actually are defenders of police. they have made no outcry when unarmed whites or latinos are shot.

The other big criticism I have seen of the blacklivesmatter is that they are not speaking out against black on black crime. Somehow they see the relationship between police and black communities as a separate issue when in fact the 2 are inextricably linked.

Institutional racism leads to police letting certain groups kill each other, and also when the authorities have such disregard for life, it trickles down to the group that is being devalued. You hear it all the time in interviews with gang members. They think the police want them to kill each other.

You can try this experiment with your kids. Tell them how worthless they are and they start fighting with each other.

It is also so silly to say, "This is a bigger problem". If that is true, then the ALS ice bucket challenge is a non story that shouldn't have gotten any press because it affects so very few people. Blacklivesmatter is a specific organization addressing a very targetted issue that is a system. getting police not to killed unarmed people should in theory be easier to accomplish than getting a bunch of civilians to stop killing each other. Becaus ethe police should be better behaved than gang members, but that is somehow a controversial statement?

I'm just sick of hearing this stuff. I think that the tactics the establishment and media are using to disrupt these messages are intellectually dishonest at best, and straight up racist at worst.

 

[gourimoko]

Numbers make sense and the statistical probability of being killed by a cop are next to nil when compared to the #1 cause of death among African Americans ages 15-34: Homicide.

You understand it is logically fallacious to cite a more important issue as a reason that another less important issue is therefore not important.

And with respect to numbers, you've completely ignored the data on the issue; which shows that unarmed black assailants are being gunned down at a 3x higher rate as White assailants.

You want to talk about Black-on-Black crime, that's fine, but you understand that's a different topic, right?

In 2011 homicide was the number one cause of death. That's an epidemic, gour.

It's a serious problem, but where is this being denied?

The #BLM movement is about one very specific issue; why not address that?

Forget the cops,

And here's the crux of your argument.

"Nothing to see here... move along."

You don't want to discuss the issue, so let's divert our attention elsewhere. It's Black people's fault ("themselves").

what the hell is going on in the community where black American's are killing each other to the point that heart disease and accidents are outnumbered by murder?

That's a complex question you've asked me before, to which I gave you a complex answer.

I have no problem discussing these issues; but, they're an aside to what's being discussed at the moment.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Alllivesmatter is disingenuous because they actually are defenders of police. they have made no outcry when unarmed whites or latinos are shot.

So, you're saying the blacklivesmatter sentiment is any different? This doesn't make sense, what you just wrote. Just as blacklivesmatter supporters are not making an outcry for white lives or asians or whomever.....it's a specific target.

I'm just sick of hearing this stuff. I think that the tactics the establishment and media are using to disrupt these messages are intellectually dishonest at best, and straight up racist at worst.

This is exactly what media is good for and they perpetuate the racism even further. It's a win win for them.

 

[JSS2306]

You understand it is logically fallacious to cite a more important issue as a reason that another less important issue is therefore not important.

And with respect to numbers, you've completely ignored the data on the issue; which shows that unarmed black assailants are being gunned down at a 3x higher rate as White assailants.

You want to talk about Black-on-Black crime, that's fine, but you understand that's a different topic, right?



It's a serious problem, but where is this being denied?

The #BLM movement is about one very specific issue; why not address that?



And here's the crux of your argument.

"Nothing to see here... move along."

You don't want to discuss the issue, so let's divert our attention elsewhere. It's Black people's fault ("themselves").



That's a complex question you've asked me before, to which I gave you a complex answer.

I have no problem discussing these issues; but, they're an aside to what's being discussed.

The issue with cops goes hand in hand with the crime rate among young black Americans. I call it an issue because the examples #blacklivesmatters have laid out before me have turned out far more controversial than meets the eye. In these instances, these people either committed crimes, resisted arrests, outright fought the police officers, or all three.

You downplay the cops plight as just racists when it's equally complex as the murder rate among 15-34 year olds.

 

[gourimoko]

The issue with cops goes hand in hand with the crime rate among young black Americans.

Statistically this is not true, as I explained in my earlier post. Again we're not talking about crime rates, we're talking about why unarmed Black assailants are 3x more likely to get shot than White assailants.

I call it an issue because the examples #blacklivesmatters have laid out before me have turned out far more controversial than meets the eye. In these instances, these people either committed crimes, resisted arrests, outright fought the police officers, or all three.

And were killed because of it.

Whatever your interpretation of events, it doesn't erase the fact that if you are Black and unarmed, in any confrontation with police you are 3x more likely to get shot than if you were White.

You downplay the cops plight as just racists

No I don't. I've been very clear about this...

This is why I don't respond to your posts, because you're just using this discussion as a platform for your own racist agenda.

I think it's sad and quite pathetic that people even tolerate your presence. You disgust me.

when it's equally complex as the murder rate among 15-34 year olds.

Again, these issues are separate, yet you continue to want to conflate the two to obfuscate the issue that's being discussed.