Houston Deputy Murdered while pumping gas

[gourimoko]

Stopped by a cop for...criminal behavior?

I didn't say anything about criminal behavior.. Not sure why you keep injecting that into the predicate of what I said.

How many people are being shot after being stopped for jaywalking or speeding?

Is this a question you want answered?

You mean to tell me it's usually because they're actually doing something bad?

And, again, since you don't really have that data, and since you go on to say:

Not that it warrants being shot, of course.

Why insert it into the argument? Seems rhetorical.. As if you're saying, they got what was coming to them...

If that's not what you're saying, my bad, but again - if it didn't warrant getting shot, then why bring up what they were doing, regardless?

Anyways, my original comment was just because I remembered you telling me cops don't really risk their lives much

That's not what I said.

and the job isn't all that dangerous.

That's not what I said either.

You compared being a cop to being a soldier. That was a ridiculous comparison and still is.

It was a conversation wherein you were attempting to justify the median wage of police officers in the United States by saying it was a dangerous job. I obviously disagreed.

I saw an opening and I took it, I admit it.

...I think you misunderstand my positions.

Tragic story though.

Indeed.

 

[Chris]

Lol, no, I never compared being a cop to being a soldier. At least not in the way you are describing it. Cut it out. That shit is why you frustrate people in these discussions. I'm probably one of the most pro military people on these forums and would never, ever say anything in that fashion.

 

[Chardon]

Rip.

 

[gourimoko]

Lol, no, I never compared being a cop to being a soldier.

I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure you did.

At least not in the way you are describing it.

I don't know what this means.

Cut it out.

Cut what out?

That shit is why you frustrate people in these discussions.

...riight...

p.s.
I remember the conversation we had, and I also remember it getting deleted. So I'll leave it at that. I'm not really concerned one way or the other if we seem to agree on the danger level.

 

[Chris]

I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure you did.
p.s.
I remember the conversation we had, and I also remember it getting deleted. So I'll leave it at that. I'm not really concerned one way or the other if we seem to agree on the danger level.

Fair enough. I didn't know they were deleted. But I do know that I would never say anything that would make the job of being a (lower echelon, at least) soldier in our military comparable or somehow more enviable than being a police officer. I know that for a fact. Somewhere along the line, the communication on that must have broken down because that doesn't align with my beliefs, at all. I fully support the police, and what they do (at least the idea of law enforcement and those who uphold it justly), but my respect for those who serve in the military (again, shouldn't need the qualifiers but this is the Internet after all, so I'll say those who serve with honor and integrity) is next level.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The majority of cops routinely pull over law abiding black citizens every day for minor offenses, or no offenses at all, and shoot them. Just because they hate black people, and believe that Black Lives Don't Matter. That's why the nearly one million sworn officers in this country kill over a half million black people every year.

Right?

Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!

 

[gourimoko]

The majority of cops routinely pull over law abiding black citizens every day for minor offenses, or no offenses at all, and shoot them. Just because they hate black people, and believe that Black Lives Don't Matter. That's why the nearly one million sworn officers in this country kill over a half million black people every year.

Right?

Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!

See what I mean, @RonG ?

Some folks go out of their way to take what I say out of context. This guy supposedly has me on ignore, yet replies to every post I make.

That's why, unfortunately, it's difficult to carry on conversations in threads like this, or any political thread for that matter. Because there are too many posters who would prefer to litter/clutter the thread with bullshit and noise rather than discuss things in an intellectually honest and thoughtful way.

 

[Chardon]

See what I mean, @RonG ?

Some folks go out of their way to take what I say out of context. This guy supposedly has me on ignore, yet replies to every post I make.

That's why, unfortunately, it's difficult to carry on conversations in threads like this, or any political thread for that matter. Because there are too many posters who would prefer to litter/clutter the thread with bullshit and noise rather than discuss things in an intellectually honest and thoughtful way.

Or just say "Rip" and move on and not start/flame things every time an issue like this comes up. Do you maybe see a trend?

 

[kosis]

Or just say "Rip" and move on and not start/flame things every time an issue like this comes up. Do you maybe see a trend?

Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt the OP made a thread so that everyone could say RIP and move on. This is a discussion board after all. Commenting on things is what people do around here.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt the OP made a thread so that everyone could say RIP and move on. This is a discussion board after all. Commenting on things is what people do around here.

Exactly. This should be discussed, because it is the product of overheated rhetoric, deliberate misrepresentations of police shootings, and the successful attempts by some in the public to divide people along racial lines.

The way this whole thing has been reported, you'd think that cops only shoot black people, and that most cops are bigots who don't really care if they shoot black people. No wonder you've got people singing the "pigs in a blanket" slogan.

Our elected representives who should have been pointing out all along that the vast majority of cops don't shoot black people, and that black people are not the only victims of police shootings have played politics with this issue instead.

It is entirely possible to recognize that are some problems with profiling, and that some cops treat people unfairly because of their race, while still trying to keep the problem in perspective so it doesn't incite more violence.

Unfortunately, that takes tact and guts, which are in short supply.

 

[Pick6]

Is it racist to feel the need to look over your shoulder if you're a black person in Texas? Is it racist if a white person feels the need to look over their shoulder in a black neighborhood?

 

[The Oi]

But check out what you say below...



Okay...



Because being disrespectful to someone behind a DMV customer service desk is considered normal - because they are often disrespectful and do a poor job. However, being disrespectful to a cop is just stupid - you're right, there is no upside. But why is that the case? Why are these two civil servants treated differently?

Oh wait...

I think the point is that I agree there is no upside, there is no reason to be disrespectful to a cop, and it will not turn out well. I agree because police brutality is so rampant.

But I would give the same advice to someone travelling the roads in the Philippines, or in some other 3rd world country where you might get harassed, brutalized, and potentially killed.

What does that say about our society?

Sadly, I feel safer in some of those countries when dealing with the police than I do in my own.

People behind a DMV desk aren't going to ticket you for whatever you're there for either. So the interaction doesn't start out with suspected lawbreaking.

Being an asshole to DMV employees is ridiculous too, but less likely to incite a dangerous situation.

All I'm stating is that there is no disadvantage to being courteous at the initiation of a stop or whatever the case may be, even if
you don't mean it.

I stand by my position that you are far less likely to end up with a dispute with a cop if you begin the conversation this way.

As to what happens once the interaction begins, that's mostly up to the cop. I'm not taking any chances.

Hands on the steering wheel. Hello, officer. No, would you mind telling me? Yes, officer here's my license.

I suspect this works for more people than it doesn't work for. It's gotten me off with four warnings now and zero disputes with cops. Thinking on it, I've probably been engaged by 10-12 cops in my life for various suspected crimes/rule-breaking and I haven't had one go further than ticketing me. I've been thanked for being polite more times than I've been ticketed.

If I'm picking between my behavior vs disrespect and or refusal to "follow instructions," I'm going the respectful route. That's regardless of how the cop behaves when he approaches me.

 

[Chris]

Some people just want to be rebels.

 

[gourimoko]

Is it racist to feel the need to look over your shoulder if you're a black person in Texas?

Was referencing cops, not White people. Texas is a very multiracial environment. In fact, Ohio is far more "White" than Texas.

@Lord Mar , see what I mean by constantly being conflated?

Is it racist if a white person feels the need to look over their shoulder in a black neighborhood?

Probably yes.

 

[gourimoko]

Or just say "Rip" and move on and not start/flame things every time an issue like this comes up. Do you maybe see a trend?

Can I ask you an honest question?

What have I said so far that should really be considered controversial?