Houston Deputy Murdered while pumping gas

[Otsego Mar]

Was referencing cops, not White people.

@Lord Mar , see what I mean by constantly being conflated?



Probably yes.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Hands on the steering wheel. Hello, officer. No, would you mind telling me? Yes, officer here's my license. Would it be okay if I spit or do I have to swallow too?

I suspect this works for more people than it doesn't work for. It's gotten me off with four warnings now and zero disputes with cops. Thinking on it, I've probably been engaged by 10-12 cops in my life for various suspected crimes/rule-breaking and I haven't had one go further than ticketing me. I've been thanked for being polite more times than I've been ticketed.

If I'm picking between my behavior vs disrespect and or refusal to "follow instructions," I'm going the respectful route. That's regardless of how the cop behaves when he approaches me.

Fixed.

 

[The Oi]

Probably yes.

Compton. Oak Cliff. Gary.

All places where white people should look over their shoulders

But black people should there too.

 

[The Oi]

Fixed.

Eat me.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here..........OK yes I am....

Cell Phone Records Officer Telling Driver He Was Pulled Over For Making ‘Direct Eye Contact'

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...r-making-direct-eye-contact-with-officer.html

White cop Black citizen

I'm assuming the officer was white, at least lol.

 

[macbdog]

The bigger question is: where did he get the gun? Had been in a mental institution. Prior arrests for gun related incidents and violence.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Eat me.

Hey, you're the guy blowing the cop, not me.

I'm polite as hell, but I still get the ticket. You must be giving him that little "extra".

C'mon Jigo, what's your secret? Nipple twist? Pinkie in the ass?

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here..........OK yes I am....

Cell Phone Records Officer Telling Driver He Was Pulled Over For Making ‘Direct Eye Contact'

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...r-making-direct-eye-contact-with-officer.html

White cop Black citizen

I'm assuming the officer was white, at least lol.

Hah! Glad the dickhead cop was busted. Some cops don't like being "eyeballed".

They like it much better when Jigo cups their balls, though.

 

[Sebastian]

First off, this a great tragedy and goes to show just how fucked up this nation has allowed things to get by ignoring a glaring issue for decades. We should have truly confronted semi-institutionalized racism a long time ago. We should have also put the police back in their place when there was a chance for dialogue in the early 1990s. Instead the issue was allowed to fester thanks to politicians on both sides of the aisle who found polarization useful to their own selfish ends. It is a great pity that it took multiple deaths for this nation to take notice.

That said, I think much of the contention in this thread can be explained by the fact that there is a major difference in the type of relationship a white suburban guy has with the cops compared to a young black man from the inner city. And that difference in relationship is partly due to how bad cops can alienate entire segments of the population.

I have more than a few friends who are/were cops. Many of the them also served at one point or another. My observation is that there are three types of bad cop: The "Power Trip," the "Harassed into us vs. them" and "Scared shitless all the time."

Power Trip: We all know guys like this. Abusive, bullying, welcomes confrontation and simply likes fucking with people because he is a dick. Not much explanation need. Give 'em a badge and you have a dangerous and arrogant. They hate everyone.

Us vs. Them: Like our soldiers overseas, these guys don't start out bad, but after some time dealing with people that make their jobs hell by being harassed, lied to, dealing with numerous unsavory characters, they really start to resent the particular group in question. For us over there it was the Iraqis and Afghans, over here it is, generally speaking, minority neighborhoods. So, these guys grew to dislike people based off skin color or whatever and automatically assume they are up to no good and never question if one of their own is acting inappropriately. They begin to feel they are above the law, and take their frustrations out on anybody that evidences even the slightest amount of disrespect.

Scared Shitless: These guys are scared and react to any provocation excessively. I can sympathize in some fashion with them insofar as one can feel surrounded by danger when alone. In many large cities guys roll out without even a partner. My friend is a cop in Austin, TX and now patrols alone and it is a little unnerving for him because he is used to rolling around with a platoon at his back. These types are perhaps the most dangerous because they are not thinking rationally when confronted.

Generally, the Us vs. Them guys are the ones that really cause damage in communities due to the inherent lack of partiality they demonstrate in dealing with those who they perceive as irritants. That causes a feed-back cycle of cops disliking communities who resent them because the communities dislike the cops for being unfair.

 

[The Oi]

Hah! Glad the dickhead cop was busted. Some cops don't like being "eyeballed".

They like it much better when Jigo cups their balls, though.

I'm starting to picture you as being one of the "squeal like a pig, boy" guys from Deliverance.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm starting to picture you as being one of the "squeal like a pig, boy" guys from Deliverance.

Hey! I shave!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We should have truly confronted semi-institutionalized racism a long time ago.

How? And what's "semi-institutionalized" racism?

We should have also put the police back in their place when there was a chance for dialogue in the early 1990s.

What does this even mean?

Instead the issue was allowed to fester thanks to politicians on both sides of the aisle who found polarization useful to their own selfish ends. It is a great pity that it took multiple deaths for this nation to take notice.

And so things are getting better?

That said, I think much of the contention in this thread can be explained by the fact that there is a major difference in the type of relationship a white suburban guy has with the cops compared to a young black man from the inner city.

Ugh, this always bugs me....

Are you white, or black? And with all due respect....if you're white, what makes you so uniquely enlightened that you are able to understand this problem, but other white peope aren't? For that matter, black people are hardly monolithic on this either.

The whole "you just don't understand" approach is just another thing that prevents dialogue, because any form of disagreement is dismissed because "you just don't get it.".

And that difference in relationship is partly due to how bad cops can alienate entire segments of the population.

There are some very crummy white areas where the same basic problem exists. But I agree - it is a problem.

Us vs. Them: Like our soldiers overseas, these guys don't start out bad, but after some time dealing with people that make their jobs hell by being harassed, lied to, dealing with numerous unsavory characters, they really start to resent the particular group in question. For us over there it was the Iraqis and Afghans, over here it is, generally speaking, minority neighborhoods. So, these guys grew to dislike people based off skin color or whatever and automatically assume they are up to no good and never question if one of their own is acting inappropriately. They begin to feel they are above the law, and take their frustrations out on anybody that evidences even the slightest amount of disrespect.

Completely agree that this is a huge problem. And I think this can blend in with "scared shitless" because part of the us v. them mentality is born and sustained out of a concern for their personal safety.

The reality is that this is an incredibly knotty problem with no easy solution. And it is not something that can be fixed from one side only. The only realistic way it can ever improve is by an incremental rebuilding of trust on both sides. That means decent people on both sides making an effort to be decent to each other. And that's the core difference of opinion, not that suburban white guys don't get it.

Jigo is right. Whether or not cops deserve to be treated politely isn't the point. Whether black people have cause to be angry isn't the point. The point is that if people on both sides don't start treating each new encounter with the other as an opportunity to improve relations, relations will never improve. Right or wrong, justified or not, that's the reality. Because if individual cops keep experiencing widespread, generic hostility/animosity (and i'm not talking just about shootings) because of the nasty actions of other cops, then the us v. them mentality will endure no matter how much training cops get.

It's a choice between the emotional satisfaction of venting your rage, or actually engaging in conduct that might help solve the problem.

Basic question - has the militant black lives matter reaction to the Michael Brown shooting actually improved anything?

 

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

Pretty sure he said there are three types of BAD cops, not that there are only three types of cops and they are all bad.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Pretty sure he said there are three types of BAD cops, not that there are only three types of cops and they are all bad.

Right. Fixed.

 

[The Oi]

Hey! I shave!

Squeal when you do it