Iman Shumpert: Gone! Thank God!

[lov3]

But can he palm a basketball is the real question

 

[Jscc]

What other 3&D players got paid:

DeMarre Carroll @ 4-years, 60 million with Toronto

Danny Green @ 4-years, 45 million with San Antonio

Khris Middleton @ 5-years, 70 million with Milwaukee

Paul Millsap @ 3-years, 59 million with Atlanta

 

[Rich]

Don't think Paul Millsap is a 3-D player. A lot more on offense than that, and not so much of a "D" guy.

Throwing Shumpert into the mix and removing Millsap, I think Carroll was the most overpaid. Honestly, he's probably the 3rd best player of the group (between him and Green) and he he's making the most per year. Middleton's deal feels fair. He looks so much like a young Luol Deng with better 3-point range. Green probably could have made more going somewhere else so his deal is the best value and Shumpert's deal feels just about right for both sides.

 

[elcheato]

What other 3&D players got paid:

DeMarre Carroll @ 4-years, 60 million with Toronto

Danny Green @ 4-years, 45 million with San Antonio

Khris Middleton @ 5-years, 70 million with Milwaukee

Paul Millsap @ 3-years, 59 million with Atlanta

I'm not sure you can really classify Shumpert as a "3&D" guy, because he only does one of those two things well right now.

I think it's a lot of money for Shumpert regardless, but it's not my money so it doesn't really matter.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'm not sure you can really classify Shumpert as a "3&D" guy, because he only does one of those two things well right now.

I think it's a lot of money for Shumpert regardless, but it's not my money so it doesn't really matter.

Huh? The cutoff for effective 3 point shooting is 33%. Shump shot 34% and that's also his career number. For someone who has the ability to to guard 3 positions, with room to grow, I'll take a guy that is at 34% all day long.

His deal is INCREDIBLY reasonable. He's 24, gives two of our three best players defensive rest (guarding PG's when Kyrie has a bad matchup or taking the better wing player so LBJ can freelance on defense).

An average of $10 mil per on an 80-100 million dollar cap is a steal for someone like Shump IMO. In 2016-17 ( a projected $90 million dollar cap), his $10 mil per is equal to $7.6 on a $69 million dollar cap. In 2017-2018 (a projected $108 million dollar cap), his $10 mil per is equal to $6.4 on a $69 million dollar cap.

Again, I keep typing this but think percentages here. Every year we move forward (especially the next 2), all these deals get incredibly affordable.

 

[elcheato]

Huh? The cutoff for effective 3 point shooting is 33%. Shump shot 34% and that's also his career number. For someone who has the ability to to guard 3 positions, with room to grow, I'll take a guy that is at 34% all day long.

His deal is INCREDIBLY reasonable. He's 24, gives two of our three best players defensive rest (guarding PG's when Kyrie has a bad matchup or taking the better wing player so LBJ can freelance on defense).

An average of $10 mil per on an 80-100 million dollar cap is a steal for someone like Shump IMO. In 2016-17 ( a projected $90 million dollar cap), his $10 mil per is equal to $7.6 on a $69 million dollar cap. In 2017-2018 (a projected $108 million dollar cap), his $10 mil per is equal to $6.4 on a $69 million dollar cap.

Again, I keep typing this but think percentages here. Every year we move forward (especially the next 2), all these deals get incredibly affordable.

I didn't say I wouldn't "take it", just don't think he really belongs in a category of 3&D with those other guys mentioned, who were all 40% three point shooters last year (aside from Millsap, who as mentioned earlier, is actually a guy who can be a key cog in an offense). If we're going to compare contracts, I think it would need to be with guys who are actually similar to him, defensive players with below average to average shooting capabilities.

 

[TheISHT]

Everyone forgets that we haven't seen a fully healthy Shumpert yet. Dude never got into a rthymn with us until the playoffs and then played hurt. Groin injuries are the worst, could be one of the reasons he was finishing so bad.

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[I'mWithDan]

I didn't say I wouldn't "take it", just don't think he really belongs in a category of 3&D with those other guys mentioned, who were all 40% three point shooters last year (aside from Millsap, who as mentioned earlier, is actually a guy who can be a key cog in an offense). If we're going to compare contracts, I think it would need to be with guys who are actually similar to him, defensive players with below average to average shooting capabilities.

Need to focus on advanced metrics though, not raw numbers. His shooting should get better with a more defined role and even so, he's already pretty good.

He's way above average on catch and shoot 3's, at 38.5%. That is top 50 in the league for guys who took at least 2.5 per game. His catch and shoot EFG is 56%, also top 50 for guys with a min of 2.5 attempts per. That is better than guys like Millsap and right in line with someone like Chandler Parsons.

With Shumpert, it is merely about shot selection. When he gets a shot, in rhythm, he's a good shooter. When he tries to freelance too much off the dribble, he is not. I'm sure that will be a point of emphasis after breaking down numbers and getting to work this off-season.

 

[elcheato]

Everyone forgets that we haven't seen a fully healthy Shumpert yet. Dude never got into a rthymn with us until the playoffs and then played hurt. Groin injuries are the worst, could be one of the reasons he was finishing so bad.

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Or it could be the fact that his career FG% is below 40%.

I like Shumpert's defensive ability on this team (we need it), but we need to be realistic on what he is offensively.

 

[elcheato]

Need to focus on advanced metrics though, not raw numbers. His shooting should get better with a more defined role and even so, he's already pretty good.

He's way above average on catch and shoot 3's, at 38.5%. That is top 50 in the league for guys who took at least 2.5 per game. His catch and shoot EFG is 56%, also top 50 for guys with a min of 2.5 attempts per. That is better than guys like Millsap and right in line with someone like Chandler Parsons.

With Shumpert, it is merely about shot selection. When he gets a shot, in rhythm, he's a good shooter. When he tries to freelance too much off the dribble, he is not. I'm sure that will be a point of emphasis after breaking down numbers and getting to work this off-season.

Why should we expect his shot selection and preferred play style change though? I guess if LeBron really gets in his face about it there's a chance, but he's been playing with this type of low efficiency his entire career, and even through college.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Why should we expect his shot selection and preferred play style change though? I guess if LeBron really gets in his face about it there's a chance, but he's been playing with this type of low efficiency his entire career, and even through college.

But there was a significant uptick in his catch and shoot numbers this season.

He posted career highs in both categories (catch and shoot FG% and catch and shoot EFG), even though he only played half a season on a good team. In the playoffs, he was also at 38% on catch and shoot 3's, even with a horrendous finals factored in.

His overall FG% is less of a factor because 51% of his shots with Cleveland were 3's. In NYK it was only 31%. So already, you see an efficiency bump there....because he is more effective in that role. With Cleveland his TS% rose 2.4% and his EFG rose 3.3%.

Now, I'm not saying he's a dead eye shooter but if his role continues to trend in that direction (more 3 point attempts, less 2 point attempts) he becomes more and more valuable.....because his one good offensive skill is catch and shoot 3's. That's not a knock either, that's precisely his offensive role on this team. Shoot open 3 point shots at a good percentage, which he does.

 

[Omar The Horse]

View: https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/616639211299545088


This is a huge part the story that is being unreported.

 

[supermario21]

Shump is a class act. It's not like we were going to not match him anyways so good for him. Hope we'll keep that in mind in a few years.

 

[shoes22]

View: https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/616639211299545088


This is a huge part the story that is being unreported.

That’s great to hear.
If Shump did that, it stands to reason that JR Smith should follow a similar tactic, as playing with LeBron and getting constant open looks would mean more to a player like JR, as opposed to playing somewhere else where he wouldn’t be as effective.

Hell, JR should have just picked up his player option this season. A guy with known attitude issues turning down a reasonable contract to cash in on a payday that may not be there isn’t the wisest of moves.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

I'd be curious to see who the other offers were from. Pretty sure we can count LA being one of them.