Indians Trade Garko to Giants

[Chris]

Those who think Shapiro needs to be fired need to look at all the steal trades he has made, he has done a great job. On the other hand Wedge needs to go, he doesnt know how to play young players.

If you listen to Tony Lastoria, Wedge is going nowhere and is a slam dunk to be right back with the Tribe next year.

 

[AZ_]

If you listen to Tony Lastoria, Wedge is going nowhere and is a slam dunk to be right back with the Tribe next year.

He hardly called it a slam dunk...

Here is what was really said.

In regard to the big league team, this dramatic shift to loading up on more prospects pretty much ensures that GM Mark Shapiro is going nowhere anytime soon. It also means with all the young players coming into the system and who will be playing with the big club this year and next that Eric Wedge may in fact be retained. If he is fired at the end of the season, it is a slam dunk that Triple-A Columbus manager Torey Lovullo would take over. There is no way we bring in a veteran manager now with all the young players, especially since they want someone leading the team who understands the organizational philosophy. So, the future of the Cleveland Indians is pretty much in the hands of Wedge or Lovullo. John Farrell is the only guy with a sliver of a chance outside the organization to get consideration as the manager given his experience working in the Indians organization prior to joining the Red Sox over two years ago.

That said, it is possible we could see Shapiro move to a President role in the near future – maybe even this offseason - and assistant GM Chris Antonetti move into the GM role. Also, they may (finally) look to bring an outsider into the front office mix to bring some much needed alternative viewpoints and challenge their ways of thinking.

 

[DougHeil]

Who died and made this guy the expert of all things Tribe and facts? A slam dunk the AAA guy would be the next manager if Wedge goes? God help us if that's the case.

 

[Chris]

He hardly called it a slam dunk...

Here is what was really said.

Hahahahhahahaha

Oh, my dearest apologies Boobie. What he in fact said was Wedge will likely be retained and if he is not, the big bad AAA manager would be the- wait for it- "slam dunk" new Tribe manager.



Bypass the bullshit and here's the crux of the last few posts:

Wedge is likely going nowhere, and if he does we're still fucked because the Tribe will just bring up Tory. Right?

And To be honest, I'd rather have Wedge.

 

[AZ_]

Oh of course.

I was under the assumption Eric Wedge and Tory Lovullo weren't the same person.


My mistake, I forgot every single person in the organization is exactly the same as Wedge.

 

[Chris]

Glad we speak the same language (sarcasm)

I know you want Wedge fired- I take it Tory Lovullo excites you. Fair enough.

 

[AZ_]

No, but I'm not going to completely dismiss him before I know the first thing about him.


Unlike you...obviously.

 

[PIP]

I want a Hispanic manager because I think Hispanic managers are the shiznit...

 

[bob2the2nd]

I want a Hispanic manager because I think Hispanic managers are the shiznit...

 

[Chris]

No, but I'm not going to completely dismiss him before I know the first thing about him.


Unlike you...obviously.

You don't know anything about Tory? I find that hard to believe. Just because you don't know anything about him doesn't mean nobody else does.

he is a solid baseball man but not ready for a big league managerial position, come on now.

 

[AZ_]

You don't know anything about Tory? I find that hard to believe. Just because you don't know anything about him doesn't mean nobody else does.

he is a solid baseball man but not ready for a big league managerial position, come on now.

Well I'd rather stay quiet than pretend to know what he's like as a manager......

 

[Chris]

Well I'd rather stay quiet than pretend to know what he's like as a manager......

Good point, I mean not like anyone knows anything about the Columbus Clippers or what he did at Buffalo.



Give me a break. If Lovullo is our savior at manager, let's just fucking keep Wedge. I cannot be the only one who feels this way. Didn't you all want a veteran manager from outside, not some other Shapiro-ite brought up from AAA? That's the last thing we need.

 

[CBBI]

Good point, I mean not like anyone knows anything about the Columbus Clippers or what he did at Buffalo.



Give me a break. If Lovullo is our savior at manager, let's just fucking keep Wedge. I cannot be the only one who feels this way. Didn't you all want a veteran manager from outside, not some other Shapiro-ite brought up from AAA? That's the last thing we need.

It's a different situation now. While I think the Indians can be competitive next year, the primary goal for next year should be extreme player development for younger guys.

The LAST thing this team needs now is someone like Buck Showalter to come in and favor "veteran grinders" over the young kids this team NEEDS to play next year.

If the Indians want this next wave of prospects to develop and contend for the division for several years in a row then they need to bring in a manager who isn't gonna lean on the Jamey Carrolls, David Delluccis and Casey Blakes of the world.

If the Indians feel like Torey Lovullo is the best guy to bring in to help give these young players the playing time they need to develop into what the franchise needs, then I'm on board with it.

 

[Phills14]

I would be beyond upset if the Indians fire Wedge at the end of the season and hire from within. If you're gonna fire him and replace from within in you FIRE HIM NOW so the new manager can get his feet wet when the games mean nothing. I have no problem hiring from wtihin if you have a qualified candidate (Which I have no idea if this guy is or not)

IF Wedge is going to be fired, the only reason to wait until the end of the season is to land an experienced manager during the offseason when there will be more to choose from. Beyond that, it's just poor planning by the front office.

-Greg

 

[Chris]

It's a different situation now. While I think the Indians can be competitive next year, the primary goal for next year should be extreme player development for younger guys.

The LAST thing this team needs now is someone like Buck Showalter to come in and favor "veteran grinders" over the young kids this team NEEDS to play next year.

If the Indians want this next wave of prospects to develop and contend for the division for several years in a row then they need to bring in a manager who isn't gonna lean on the Jamey Carrolls, David Delluccis and Casey Blakes of the world.

If the Indians feel like Torey Lovullo is the best guy to bring in to help give these young players the playing time they need to develop into what the franchise needs, then I'm on board with it.

It's said they want someone who will continue the Indians' PHILOSOPHY. Now, maybe that veterans over young players is an Indians ideology, yea? In that case, nothing would change.

And speaking of which, since when do we trust the Indians to "do the right thing"? Just because they feel Lovullo would be the right man, you'd be on board with it? Interesting.

I respect your guys' opinions, you must hate Wedge a lot if you think Lovullo would be the right guy for the job.

I would be beyond upset if the Indians fire Wedge at the end of the season and hire from within.

Yep. Same.