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Indians Trade Garko to Giants

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Team President, duh. :chuckles: I would agree with that move, if only to not let Antonetti escape to another club. FWIW, I do remember reading multiple times that Antonetti handles nearly ALL of the Tribe's draft duties, so the blame might not fall entirely on Shapiro there. Then again, that change to Antonetti controlling the draft may have come 2 years ago, in which case it looks like it was a positive for the organization, as the Indians' drafts have markedly improved in the past two years, at least from a forecasting standpoint.
 
Barnes was considered one of the "B class" minor league pitching prospects by the Giants, but I am dead-certain there isn't another organization out there who has as deep a minor league pitching crop sitting in the minors than the Giants. They draft pitching every year, and what they really need is hitting. The plan out here is pitching is more valuable and reliable than young hitters, so they trade for position players.

I was never enamored with Garko, and he is a Stanford man. The Giants love local guys. This trade makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Yeah, I do not like Wedge.. I would make a change there...

I've always been intrigued with the prospects of Sandy managing.. If we're going to go young, we might as well go young with the managing...Would be a good PR move, and could prove to work.. Catchers usually make the best managers (or so they say) and Sandy was always an intense guy, so maybe it would work ??

I know I would much rather have a guy like Ozzie Guillen than Eric Wedge...

A yankee fan saying "we" when referring to the Indians.

:shakehead
 
A yankee fan saying "we" when referring to the Indians.

:shakehead
Indians fan as well, follow them just like any other fan... I just happened to grow up in a Yankees household...
 
Yeah, but I think Wedge just said he would be used at 1st base. hm what?

As long as Wedge remains the Manager, all these moves and trades will be under-utilized for sure.

Marte can and has played 1B before. The Indians are not going to bench Peralta, he has finally started hitting, he has a history of being a good bat and he has a good-sized contract. Much like Garko, if the club has any plans on moving him, he needs to play and be showcased. With Hafner entrenched at DH, this leaves 1B and some corner OF time for Marte to show what he can do. I don't doubt, either, that he will also see a few games at 3B, but his defense has never been the question- it is the bat. Where he gets his ABs isn't as important as what he does with them.


As for the trade, solid return. he is a lefty of the lesser speed/more command persuasion. As others have already noted, Garko is a nice player but not someone the Tribe can do without. Good luck to him in San Fran's ballpark with those monstrous alleys.
 
Here is a nice report from May of 2009, written by, Jason Grey of ESPN:


Scott Barnes, SP, Giants: Drafted in the eighth round last year out of St. John's University, Barnes dazzled in his first 11 games as a pro last year, striking out 63 in 43 2/3 innings in the low minors while allowing just 24 hits, four walks and no home runs. He impressed enough and showed enough of an advanced feel for pitching that the organization decided to let the 21-year-old skip low Class A this season.


A tall, lanky, 6-foot-3, 190-pound lefty, Barnes has a quick arm that can get his fastball up to the 92-93 mph range with tail, and he can add and subtract velocity as needed. Like Bumgarner, he shows the ball a bit on the backside of his delivery, but then it disappears as his arm starts to come forward, and he throws it with a whippy, slingerlike arm action that makes it tough to pick up as he releases the ball. However, he can control and repeat his delivery, and there really isn't anything that would raise a big red flag. The Giants did a good job cleaning up the delivery, and he doesn't jerk his head at the end as much as he did in college.


His circle changeup has gone through marked development since he became a pro, as it's now a low-80s pitch with excellent arm speed and a consistent slot. His third pitch is a mid-70s curve that still needs work. When I talked with him recently, he mentioned the usual things a pitcher at this level is focused on -- locating, being consistent and refining the breaking ball.


Barnes had his toughest outing as a pro Tuesday, as he failed to get out of the fourth inning. So far this season, however, he still has fanned 19 in 22 1/3 innings while giving up just one homer in a tough league for pitchers, making four of his five starts on the road in some launching pads. As a fly-ball pitcher, the California League will be a good test for Barnes. He's a little ways off from reaching the big leagues but projects as a solid starter down the road.
 
I posted this somewhere else, but figure I'll put it here too.

Basically the owner does have a lot to do with it. Dick Jacobs was willing to spend, and it paid off.

We are #15 in the league. Respectable. But lets look at where the 1st place teams are on the payroll list:

Yankees- #1
Tigers- #5
Angels- #6
Phillies- #7
Cubs- #3
Dodgers- #9

There are teams that can do it with low salary numbers every couple years, like the A's and Marlins and the Rays last year.

In 1995 the Indians were #9 in the league in payroll.
In 1997 the Indians were #3 in the league in payroll.

Imagine if we wouldve invested heavily into our bullpen overall, rather than just our closer. This season could be different.
 
Imagine if we wouldve invested heavily into our bullpen overall, rather than just our closer. This season could be different.

To be fair, they did add Joe Smith who has been a solid contributor.

When your KEY guys (Perez, Lewis and Betancourt) all struggled beyond belief, the bullpen was going in the toilet no matter who we added in the offseason.

Heck, even guys like Herges and Aquino could have been effective in the right role. But when you force those guys into set up roles, it's no wonder why they fail.
 
I saw Lewis' struggles coming, he sucked in the first half of last year, and pitched better when there was no pressure in the 2nd half. The bullpen should have been at least decent, but Perez imploded, Betancourt wasnt too good to start the year, got better as it went on, and Smith got injured. We didn't expect injuries. Our bullpen should be okay next season. Chris Perez was bad to start his career here but he has settled down, Jess Todd could be a solid set up man, Wood most likely will be back, Joe Smith, but we will need to pick up a couple guys in FA or look in the minors. I think we have one of the better closers in Double A.
 
Dick Jacobs spent significantly less than what the top teams had to play their players now. It's a stupid argument, because Jacobs could barely afford what the Dolans did this year with the limited income that the Indians bring in.
 
This is absolutely moronic.

Westbrook has been a solid contributor for several years. Hafner had an injury, which who can predict and got hit in the damn face by a ball and still can rake. All everybody did was complain about blowoski, year after year we go after the best closer, this year we got the best of the previous years, and he barely gets to pitch.

I hated the extension and this is coming from a fan of Hafner's. The problem is that he was in the middle of a down year and the team still had an option for the next season. There was no reason to sign him when they did when they didn't get him at a "hometown" discount and they could have waited to see if the season he was having was the start of a downward trend or just an off year. You factor in the injury and it makes the decision even worse.
 
Ryan Garko:
:cheers:
 
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Garko really wasn't needed here. The Indians need speed and athleticism. Obviously, Garko is neither one of those. Plus, the Tribe has a ton of 1B/DH types.
 
Those who think Shapiro needs to be fired need to look at all the steal trades he has made, he has done a great job. On the other hand Wedge needs to go, he doesnt know how to play young players.
 

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