Jared from Subway's house is currently being raided by the FBI...

[gourimoko]

I'd argue adhering to a naturally occurring biological function is more a human right than being allowed to participate in a synthetic ceremony that produces tax benefits.

Yes, I am comparing the two. it is ass backwards that any sex outside of vaginal is illegal and that you can't have sex with who you want within reason. marriage is an extension of love to a point. both issues are only the parties involved business. to be honest, I'm sure there are a lot of marriages more unhealthy and disturbing than person mature and savvy enough to post an ad for sex for a hundred bucks and then they never talk again

This was awfully written. I woke up two minutes ago and am writing on my phone, idc

To clarify Daves point there can be no legal arguement that prevents a person from prostitution that couldn't also be used to prevent a person from marriage.

It's an illogical position to hold that a person has a right to marry which is an act of commerce btw an not have a right to prostitute themselves.

The arguement becomes even more ridiculous if the act is filmed as then it becomes a question of speech and expression and as we know money is now speech according to Citizens United.

 

[The Oi]

One thing this country has absolutely correct is how people are treated once they molest children. Let them get all kinds of fucked up in jail. If it's biological to have sex with whatever age you please, then it is biological when a parent kills you for taking advantage of their kid.

I don't think it's handled well at all once they get to prison though. They put the pedos in ad-seg to protect them.

To protect them!!!

If it was being handled properly, you'd throw these guys in with genpop and let nature take it's course. Some violent, unstable assholes that were molested as kids will eventually get ahold of them and we won't have to worry about them getting out of prison again, as many of these guys often do. Protecting these guys is asinine. Let them pay for their actions.

 

[David.]

There is a diffetence between a 6 year old and a17 year old.

In many more of the instances than you'd probably feel comfortable with,regardless of gender, the"physically developed enough to create arousal in the opposite sex but not old enough based on the literal count of days since birth" 17year old is ALSO mature enough to be the instigator and aggressor in these relationships.

One thing this country has absolutely correct is how people are treated once they molest children. Let them get all kinds of fucked up in jail. If it's biological to have sex with whatever age you please, then it is biological when a parent kills you for taking advantage of their kid.

 

[Lee]

This thread has taken a turn for the ugly.

So while it is bad to be a pedophile, a 16 year old is a mature person old enough to make their own decisions like charging a 40 year old to have sex?

Legally a 16 year old cant even buy a car, but old enough to know to collect money for sex?

Yeeesh, not sure i am ready to sign off on that being ok.

 

[gourimoko]

This thread has taken a turn for the ugly.

So while it is bad to be a pedophile, a 16 year old is a mature person old enough to make their own decisions like charging a 40 year old to have sex?

Legally a 16 year old cant even buy a car, but old enough to know to collect money for sex?

Yeeesh, not sure i am ready to sign off on that being ok.

Lee you honestly don't think a 16 year old can make decisions about sex? So much so that we should consider sex with a minor a jailable offense?

 

[David.]

At18I'm also not old enough to buy a drink but I'minvesting40K in college based on my decision of what I think I want to do as a profession when I'm40. I can also sign up to kill people. but only when I'm exactly18, 17 and a half is a no go

The age thing is dumb.

This thread has taken a turn for the ugly.

So while it is bad to be a pedophile, a 16 year old is a mature person old enough to make their own decisions like charging a 40 year old to have sex?

Legally a 16 year old cant even buy a car, but old enough to know to collect money for sex?

Yeeesh, not sure i am ready to sign off on that being ok.

 

[David.]

Gourimoko, post: 2224467, member: 2835"]Lee you honestly don't think a 16 year old can make decisions about sex? So much so that we should consider sex with a minor a jailable offense?

"Jailable" is going really,really really lightly

 

[David.]

.

 

[natedagg]

One thing this country has absolutely correct is how people are treated once they molest children. Let them get all kinds of fucked up in jail. If it's biological to have sex with whatever age you please, then it is biological when a parent kills you for taking advantage of their kid.

I don't know how to articulate my point exactly, particularly on a slippery slope subject like this, but all I can say is that I am conflicted. Part of me agrees with you 110%, maybe even more. If somebody ever gets the keys to the cage where my daughter will be living once she has her first period, if they do anything to her, I (a non-violent guy) could see myself taking matters into my own hand. It's scary and part of that reaction is instinctual/biological, I am sure of it.

Now the other side of me says these people are sick in the head. In fact, lots of people who are in jail are sick in the head - schizo's, sociopaths, anti-social behavior types. So then what? It's hard to paint a broad brushed answer, but if a guy is arrested for molesting children on more than one occasion, I mean come on, he isn't getting better. He isn't going to change. He's sick. So do we kill him? Torture him then kill him? Just torture him forever as slowly as possible? Gladiator ring against a pack of hyenas? Or do we let him rot in jail? It's just the same with some career criminals - they are sick, but there are rules. I guess it's partly dependent on whether you think our justice system should act to reform, to punish, to hold, etc. Part of me says that 3 strikes for felonies is enough to warrant death. Part of me says its cruel to kill (injure, torture, heck maybe even NOT help) sick people.

TLDR: I hope this rant inspires some thought. A very interesting article can be found here: http://www.economist.com/node/14164614

 

[Soda]

I don't think it's handled well at all once they get to prison though. They put the pedos in ad-seg to protect them.

To protect them!!!

If it was being handled properly, you'd throw these guys in with genpop and let nature take it's course. Some violent, unstable assholes that were molested as kids will eventually get ahold of them and we won't have to worry about them getting out of prison again, as many of these guys often do. Protecting these guys is asinine. Let them pay for their actions.

Damn, I thought that's how it actually was..

 

[Lee]

Lee you honestly don't think a 16 year old can make decisions about sex? So much so that we should consider sex with a minor a jailable offense?

I am not talking about just having sex with a 16 year old, but paying to have sex with a 16 year old.

And no, not mature enough for that decision to charge for sex. Their brain is still developing and their decisions are not fully functional yet.

That said, i am leaving this thread, really want no part of he debate anymore as its more of an opinion and not into hearing about 40 year old men having sex with 16 year old girls and people not thinking this is wrong.

 

[AustinCarr]

My 16 y/o niece is a straight "A" student but can barely be counted on to do the most basic of things. She would in no way have the maturity to handle that. The age limit is arbitrary. But there has to be a defined age, legally. And frankly, very few 16 year olds I have ever met are remotely responsible enough to handle to potential repercussions of that. Sure, some will be, but the law has to be based around some perceived mean value rather than a case by case assessment of what people can or cannot handle.

 

[gourimoko]

I am not talking about just having sex with a 16 year old, but paying to have sex with a 16 year old.

And no, not mature enough for that decision to charge for sex. Their brain is still developing and their decisions are not fully functional yet.

That said, i am leaving this thread, really want no part of he debate anymore as its more of an opinion and not into hearing about 40 year old men having sex with 16 year old girls and people not thinking this is wrong.

My daughter will be 14 years old in February, so I'm not coming at this from a predatory standpoint - I'm coming at it from a realistic, pragmatic, and experienced standpoint.

When my daughter is 16, she needs to be mature enough to understand sexuality and make decisions and if she's not then that's a problem.

What I've discussed with her mother, and her mother is on the same page, is that if she makes decisions to have sex - all we ask is that she's safe, and understanding of that fact that we will do everything we can to be understanding and supportive.

We've told our daughter that abstinence is complete bullshit, and that sexuality is a natural and progressive part of any relationship. But that sexuality is something to be reserved in youth and practiced with care in adulthood.

There does not need to be secrets, pregnancies (what happened with her mother and I when her mother was 16), etc. Were we mature enough to make decisions about child bearing at that age? No, of course not. But the point that's being missed is that we were having sex regardless, and no law was going to stop that.

So the question becomes, at what age does the state step in and declare, this person is so young that we should criminalize intercourse. And personally, I think 16 is a reasonable cutoff. That doesn't mean a 15 year old can't make an intelligent decision, but it means that the state can exercise the right to step in in situations that are one-sided and without consent. That's really what this needs to be about. Consent.

And to say, well, this person isn't wise enough, or mature enough to do x,y or z with their body - that can be extended to many things other than sex; including abortions, contraceptive, medical decisions, etc.

Beyond that, I'm not sure the last time you were clubbing, or in a bar, or generally just cruising for ass, but real talk, it's not difficult to end up in bed with a girl you met in a bar (a bar that cards), and she says (after sex) "umm, yeah, I'm 18." That's happened to me - more than once, and to say, well, what if she was 17 and she's just lying - she lied to get into the bar - now I'm looking at going on a sex registry? What kind of sense does this make?

I just think these laws are questionable at best, and really need to focus on the ability to consent to having intercourse, and having some bare minimum age where society deems a person to be too young to legally participate. Again, like others have said, I think 16 is a reasonable age of sexual and personal maturity such that if this person has sex with someone, that someone shouldn't be hauled off to prison as a "rapist."

 

[Ohdang]

There are plenty of studies out there that I remember reading in school that make a compelling case that humans aren't emotionally/mentally developed until around 28, not 18. You can just people watch for a few hours and come to the same conclusion. So no, I don't think a 16 year old girl is mentally capable of making a responsible decision to be a hooker. But it's way different than child porn. A 16 year old can consent to sex, whether it's a good idea or not is irrelevant to whether they are capable of consenting. A 10 year old not so much.

So I agree with both Lee and gour, even though that kind of creates a conflict. who really gives a shit if he had sex with a 16 year old because it wasn't rape (yes it was taking advantage and creepy, and most likely ethically wrong, but it wasn't rape). as long as the child porn thing isn't true I don't think he should be prosecuted.

 

[Tornicade]

Those text were from 2008 and the woman was having sex with Jared. she then apparently complained at some point to Subway about the text.. im sorry once someone enters enter a relationship someone they work with then its no longer an HR concern in my opinion. If she had legitimate concerns or disgust she would of taken it to the police

also this woman had concerns about the nature of their relationship after not before or during.

also in the transcripts notice the lady was incredulous not about Jared paying for sex but that he got such a great "deal"


This woman is just as disgusting as Fogle.