Johnathan "Jack" Conklin: All Pro RT

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Maybe someone would take him in a trade?

1) I doubt it.
2) It wouldn't help. These are bonuses, not guaranteed salary.

Although, worst-case scenario, I think 8.35M of his bonuses are from a 2024 option. If we outright got rid of him before next year, I think the cap hit would be closer to 20M? Although it's fuzzy trying to figure out how the contract is exactly spelled out.

If he's done and the cap hit is only around 20M, then you probably try and renegotiate with him. Even if he's unable to play, drop his base salary down close to zero, let him get the best treatment around, and then you can spread that cap hit over 2024 with two void years on the back end, bringing the 2024 total down to around 7M.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If he calls it quit (which given his injury history he might), that number is insured and we will mostly be off the hook.

Nope. Insurance has nothing to do with the salary cap--only who pays out the cash.

If he retires, it's the same as if we release him. The non-guaranteed money comes off the cap, but everything else is still there (and you have to pay it immediately).

The only recourse you have is an arbitrator ruling that Conklin has to give part of the signing bonus back--which wouldn't happen if he's retiring due to injury. See the "Barry Sanders Rule"

 

[Coyote850]

Tests revealed a torn ACL and MCL. Done for the year.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Nope. Insurance has nothing to do with the salary cap--only who pays out the cash.

If he retires, it's the same as if we release him. The non-guaranteed money comes off the cap, but everything else is still there (and you have to pay it immediately).

The only recourse you have is an arbitrator ruling that Conklin has to give part of the signing bonus back--which wouldn't happen if he's retiring due to injury. See the "Barry Sanders Rule"

Would be a bad look for the team to go after his money anyway.

 

[Douglar]

No surprise about the injury. Looked terrible for someone with healthy knees.

So since the contract had $30Mil out of $61Mil guaranteed, there's no cap relief until 2025?

 

[MGMT]

No surprise about the injury. Looked terrible for someone with healthy knees.

So since the contract had $30Mil out of $61Mil guaranteed, there's no cap relief until 2025?

Yeah, we are on the hook. Hence why you’ll see some here understandably critical of the contract before this even happened.

 

[buzzdog]

I fail to see how in any way, shape or form that anyone could say this injury happened because Conklin is somehow injury prone. Put just about anyone in that spot on the field at that moment and their knee gets wrecked.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

This is the big problem with injury prone guys is that every time they get injured it gets written off as a fluke play that would have happened to anyone

But it always happens to the same guys

Idk the extension never made sense to me bc glass man is incredibly injury prone. He then proceeds to have a major injury week 1. Call me a moron if you must but the heavy correlation of glass man being injured leads me to believe every season he is much more likely to get injured than the average player

Basically everyone said something is going to happen, that thing happens, and then we still don’t get to claim that as a foreseeable risk bc fluke

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

This is the big problem with injury prone guys is that every time they get injured it gets written off as a fluke play that would have happened to anyone

But it always happens to the same guys

Idk the extension never made sense to me bc glass man is incredibly injury prone. He then proceeds to have a major injury week 1. Call me a moron if you must but the heavy correlation of glass man being injured leads me to believe every season he is much more likely to get injured than the average player

Basically everyone said something is going to happen, that thing happens, and then we still don’t get to claim that as a foreseeable risk bc fluke

Some guys are injury prone. Conklin falls in that camp. Raheem Mostert, Jeff Wilson, lots of guys seem to spend the majority of their career on a team called IR.

But there's also certainly some confirmation bias here. When people get re-injured you say of course he would he's injury prone! But when people don't get re-injured you say "Well duh, he's not injury prone!"

 

[Lee]

I hope he retires and moves to Costa Rica to deal cocaine!

Why not, worked out well for Nate Newton.

 

[buzzdog]

This is the big problem with injury prone guys is that every time they get injured it gets written off as a fluke play that would have happened to anyone

But it always happens to the same guys

Idk the extension never made sense to me bc glass man is incredibly injury prone. He then proceeds to have a major injury week 1. Call me a moron if you must but the heavy correlation of glass man being injured leads me to believe every season he is much more likely to get injured than the average player

Basically everyone said something is going to happen, that thing happens, and then we still don’t get to claim that as a foreseeable risk bc fluke

If his knee would have just buckled under normal strain then I would say that's injury prone. When a 290 pound lineman slams into the side of a knee with the foot planted then I call that a football accident that would have happened to anyone. There's literally nothing Conklin could have done to prevent that.

Maybe his previous injuries could point to him being injury prone, IDK. But this would have took out (for example) Myles Garret's knee if it was him in that spot. Would you then say Myles is injury prone?

 

[2 For The Brew]

Some guys are injury prone. Conklin falls in that camp. Raheem Mostert, Jeff Wilson, lots of guys seem to spend the majority of their career on a team called IR.

But there's also certainly some confirmation bias here. When people get re-injured you say of course he would he's injury prone! But when people don't get re-injured you say "Well duh, he's not injury prone!"

If injuries were 100% random you would expect to see # of injuries over a career for all players fit a bell curve.

But randomness is not a convincing argument for many people. There has to be some underlying reason why a bridge that collapses in Downtown Akron and crushes a car hit THAT particular car besides the occupants being tragically unlucky.

Jarrett Allen catches his finger on the rim and somehow that was JBB's fault.

I'm not saying Conklin isn't injury prone. I'm saying random injuries can affect all players whether they are more susceptible to injury or not.

How sick are Jets fans this morning?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If injuries were 100% random you would expect to see # of injuries over a career for all players fit a bell curve.

But randomness is not a convincing argument for many people. There has to be some underlying reason why a bridge that collapses in Downtown Akron and crushes a car hit THAT particular car besides the occupants being tragically unlucky.

Jarrett Allen catches his finger on the rim and somehow that was JBB's fault.

I'm not saying Conklin isn't injury prone. I'm saying random injuries can affect all players whether they are more susceptible to injury or not.

How sick are Jets fans this morning?

They knew what they were getting into when they traded for that injury prone Aaron Rodgers. Dude's gonna have a very short career if he can't stay healthy.

 

[Urban]

So did the people who say it "never made sense" to re-sign Conklin ever watch James Hudson play?

 

[2 For The Brew]

They knew what they were getting into when they traded for that injury prone Aaron Rodgers. Dude's gonna have a very short career if he can't stay healthy.

I'm still angry at the Browns for signing injury prone LeCharles Bentley. A better front office would have evaluated him as a severe injury risk and prone to severe infection.