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Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

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How hurt? Every player gets hurt; Florio saying he'll get injured is like saying the sky will be blue this fall. Is he stating that Johnny is going to tear an ACL? That'd be pretty irresponsible to say, considering there's nothing to base that on.

The "Johnny will get hurt!" thing is a popular schtick. Like you said, every player gets hurt eventually. Hoyer isn't exactly a mobile QB, and lo and behold! Out for the season after starting 3 games. Bitch please, Florio.
 
Florio was on the Mannix Show yesterday and basically said it is only a matter of time until her gets hurt. It was the same as when RGIII got hurt, it is inevitable.

I get it because he is a scrambling QB and he is basing it off his style of play. Sooner or later, the odds are against him in that someone is going to pop him and he will get hurt. He has NO idea though, which makes his comment dumb as hell. He can go through an entire NFL career and not chip a toenail.

Let it play out and hopefully he stops trying to put his JOBU curse on him. "Fuck you Florio, I do it myself!"
 
This is the NFL. You can't pack a guy in bubble wrap on the sidelines and refuse to start him because he might get hurt.
 
This is the NFL. You can't pack a guy in bubble wrap on the sidelines and refuse to start him because he might get hurt.

Certainly, but it's not at all unreasonable to project that he's more susceptible to injury based on a reckless style and higher contact rates than other QBs.

Predicting injuries is almost as stupid as calling this a "great QB battle."

But the realities of his game come with the increased chance of him being injured, just as they did with RGIII or Cam Newton. Guys who run more, get hit more and get up off the ground more often.
 
Certainly, but it's not at all unreasonable to project that he's more susceptible to injury based on a reckless style and higher contact rates than other QBs.

Predicting injuries is almost as stupid as calling this a "great QB battle."

But the realities of his game come with the increased chance of him being injured, just as they did with RGIII or Cam Newton. Guys who run more, get hit more and get up off the ground more often.

I agree that his style of play will make him more prone to injuries, but at the same time you can't just not play him because you're worried about him getting hurt, nor can you project that he'll suffer a season-ending injury. We just don't know. He seemed to be playing pretty smart last night, quickly sliding when he had two defenders closing in to murder him. He'll have to keep that up going forward if he wants to stay healthy, and bulking up a bit won't hurt either.
 
How hurt? Every player gets hurt; Florio saying he'll get injured is like saying the sky will be blue this fall. Is he stating that Johnny is going to tear an ACL? That'd be pretty irresponsible to say, considering there's nothing to base that on.

Seriously hurt as he brought up RGIII...
 
I agree that his style of play will make him more prone to injuries, but at the same time you can't just not play him because you're worried about him getting hurt, nor can you project that he'll suffer a season-ending injury. We just don't know. He seemed to be playing pretty smart last night, quickly sliding when he had two defenders closing in to murder him. He'll have to keep that up going forward if he wants to stay healthy, and bulking up a bit won't hurt either.

As I said, certainly true.
 
Anyone can get injured at any given moment. Hell didn't we just witness Hoyer get destroyed last year and he isnt even a scrambler. If you're scared to play him in fear of him getting injured based on his habit of scrambling, then you might as well not play Hoyer either. Seeing as though he got injured last year in one of the few times he tried to improvise
 
One thing Johnny can do well and Hoyer needs to learn IS the slide. That is a big part of how Hoyer got injured was with an awkward slide. Johnny had his slide down perfect on his first attempt. Know the rules and use them to your advantage. A QB goes down feet first, he gets off with no contact whatsoever. Use the rule. Plus, it really pisses off the defense hoping to get a full speed shot on the QB.
 
We constantly hear about defenses readying themselves for running QBs and how it's the demise of them. At the same time we neglect the notion that running QBs can adjust to how defenses prepare for them...

And now it's reasonable to predict injuries for guys who aren't injury prone? Ehh, I'm not stepping there. Johnny runs. That doesn't mean he's a lock to get injured.
 
We constantly hear about defenses readying themselves for running QBs and how it's the demise of them. At the same time we neglect the notion that running QBs can adjust to how defenses prepare for them...

And now it's reasonable to predict injuries for guys who aren't injury prone? Ehh, I'm not stepping there. Johnny runs. That doesn't mean he's a lock to get injured.

Nobody is arguing either of these two points in here, honestly.
 
Nobody is arguing either of these two points in here, honestly.

Cool man.

It's intended to respond to the comment Florio made. You know, what we've been talking about today.

Florio was on the Mannix Show yesterday and basically said it is only a matter of time until her gets hurt. It was the same as when RGIII got hurt, it is inevitable.
 
Lol at ESPN. Anyone see the Browns QB battle little diddly they did. They showed Hoyers throws and included incompletions and sounded bored and not excited when they talked about Hoyer. But they did manziel next and they were excited when they talked about him and did not show any incompletions.

So we know who ESPN wants to start huh?
 
Lol at ESPN. Anyone see the Browns QB battle little diddly they did. They showed Hoyers throws and included incompletions and sounded bored and not excited when they talked about Hoyer. But they did manziel next and they were excited when they talked about him and did not show any incompletions.

So we know who ESPN wants to start huh?

They just see his talent and the cloud on his shoulder.
 
I gotta say, not even Florio said, "Johnny Manziel takes a lot of hits and therefore don't play him." What some people have said is that experienced quarterbacks don't take unnecessary contact, because unnecessary contact will eventually put a quarterback in harm's way. Let's take a peak at the first preseason game:

Hoyer had three possessions, all three were called sustained drives by announcers. He got the ball out quickly every play. The Browns operated out of a pro style set as well as some pistol and shotgun. The one time he was pressured, the last play of the first drive, he avoided pressure and dumped the ball out of bounds. So, he had three drives, two field goals, no hits on the quarterback. It wasn't a perfect performance, he missed on two throws and had three blatant drops in the final possession, but better than he has been given credit for the past two days.

Then you look at Manziel. Let's call it four possessions since taking a knee before halftime doesn't count. The first possession was all pistol. On third and one he kept it on a read option (probably should give it to the running back on third and one) he strung it out against two linebackers and got hit for no gain. Second possession, again all out of the pistol formation. Manziel starts the drive with running, again putting his head down instead of sliding. after two West runs, Manziel runs down the sideline. Then he finally chooses to give up the ball on a read option but West gets blown up, followed by Manziel dumping off on third down. End of drive. Third possession was by far Manziel's most promising, it was also the first possession where the Browns didn't primarily start in a pistol. Even in that third possession of nine plays, Manziel ran it himself twice (the same number of completed passes) an the Browns ran one designed read option. This third possession featured that much discussed half a yard run on fourth down where he narrowly escaped a defensive lineman when the right play was throwing to the wide open Gray for a first. In the final possession Manziel finally started throwing the ball more than he kept it, which I thought was his best performance as a QB, but suffered two drops from the receivers.

So what I got out of the first preseason was that concerns everyone had about Manziel taking hits continues to be a lesson he hasn't learned. He chose often to not only run, but run in a way which leaves him open to hits. I believe Hoyer will end up being the better option to begin the regular season not because I dislike running quarterbacks. I take that stance because he runs a pro style offense and did so effectively. Manziel has shown me he still runs a college style offense. What I'd like to see is Manziel playing an entire half or more for each of the remaining preseason games, and do so in a pro style offense. If he isn't making the right decisions out of a pro base with the full range of NFL plays, he will have a hard hitting defensive player show him why NFL experts criticize his decisions to hang onto the ball... and it will be a violent lesson he doesn't soon forget.
 

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