Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[Amherstcavsfan]

So I really don't think benching Manziel when he hasn't demonstrated what the coaches need him to demonstrate is necessarily hindering his development. Assuming the coaches are at fault without knowledge of what Manziel is or isn't doing throughout the week is incredibly short-sighted. His biggest weakness seems to be coachability and discipline.

I doubt coachability is a weakness from him. By all accounts, and from what very little we've seen on the field, he's been coached up well. Hell, his mechanics already look better.

Discipline is a huge weakness though, and I think the main factor they didn't want to throw him into the middle of a playoff race. While I think Manziel is without a doubt more talented than Hoyer, I'm not sure if he's going to be able to make his reads quickly and fire it out. If it's a 1-2-3-Step-Throw type deal, Manziel is more likely to react and try to make a play rather than just do his job.

However, with Hoyer turning the ball over at an alarming rate and not making plays, there is no reason to not have Manziel out there making rookie mistakes. What you hope is that Manziel, in limited time this year, will learn from these mistakes.

Also, here's to hoping he can get a rhythm and timing down this season. It's the one thing that he kind of struggles with, and that's hitting a WR in stride in the midst of a play. If he improves to make himself average or even above average at that, he'll be a very good QB. It'll either be what makes him an NFL starter and maybe eventually superstar and what makes him another bust.

 

[spydy13]

The only stock I would put into the "Johnny not starting because he went to the Cavs game" is if he proceeded to close down the bars afterwards. Otherwise it's just insane as everyone has said.

 

[JSS2306]

Johnny is either going to end up Cleveland's savior, or one of the worst first round picks of all time due to his style of play.

Did I hear right that Joe Thomas had to help him with his snap counts?

 

[AZ_]

Johnny is either going to end up Cleveland's savior, or one of the worst first round picks of all time due to his style of play.

Did I hear right that Joe Thomas had to help him with his snap counts?

Whatever he does, just don't claim him to be a top ten QB.

 

[elcheato]

Whatever he does, just don't claim him to be a top ten QB.

Top 10 WR?

 

[Tornicade]

A rookie Coach isnt gonna give a shit how good the Rookie qb looks on the scout teams. He is gonna stick to the guy he thinks wont turnover the ball in game critical situations and can maintain composure to put together a game winning drive at crunch time.
Starting manziel the last three games Helps Manziel. He sees different coverages and he gets his feet wet. this give him a baseline to see what he needs to do as a quarterback to compete for the starting job next season.
It also lets him see the game at full speed.

those 12 plays the Browns called for Manziel in the bills game wasnt the same play and he looked like he had a natural feel.

The fact that Manziel was even considered for starting for the last month let alone last week is a positive in favor of Manziel.

 

[AZ_]

The natural feel

 

[DrSmoov]

Marvin Lewis just called JFF a midget...

www.soundcloud.com/garrettsabelhaus/marvin-calls-manziel-a-midget-1

Boys about to go YAMS!

 

[CosmoKramer]

The first year is pretty much over dude, so this is pointless. Had they started johnny at the beginning of the year id agree with you, but Hoyer is who he is.

Once again the year is pretty much over, I'm arguing we put him in over Hoyer not that he's going to light it up. I said he could as in its possible. I never said it was highly probable.

I've called Hoyer a backup for months, you don't need to tell me what he is. I'm not advocating to keep him in at all, I'm just telling you the track record for QBs as young and inexperienced as Johnny is not great. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed to fail, but arguing against that is pointless.

But hey, you've made a habit of doing just that.

And forgive me for not trusting boobie's talent evaluation of johnny who claimed Braylon was great and that rg3 would be dominate.

You're not the only one that's had a differing opinion on Manziel than b00bie, but using those two examples to prove anything is kinda hilarious.

Compared to other first round picks Braylon had a great career for the Browns. He was spectacular in 2007, his 80-1,289-16 line in 2007 was easily the best season from a Browns WR since '99 before Josh Gordon came along. It was frustrating to watch him make a habit of dropping routine catches, but when given a decent QB and an easy slate of opponents Braylon feasted.

And RGIII did dominate as a rookie, injuries have sapped him of his franchise-level talent. That 2012 season though, potentially one of the best rookie seasons of all-time.

 

[The Voice]

I've called Hoyer a backup for months, you don't need to tell me what he is. I'm not advocating to keep him in at all, I'm just telling you the track record for QBs as young and inexperienced as Johnny is not great. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed to fail, but arguing against that is pointless.

How many of those guys that failed have had as much success as he did at the college level individually?

You can't name one.

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[bob2the2nd]

I doubt coachability is a weakness from him. By all accounts, and from what very little we've seen on the field, he's been coached up well. Hell, his mechanics already look better.

not trying to put words in keys' mouth (hands?) but i think he means can manziel actually mentally accept what it takes to be an NFL QB. hearing things that manziel only knows parts of the playbook, and only reads half the field play into that. Do we know its true or not, no. but many indications seem to point to that.

now without question he is a rookie, but this late into the season you would hope your back up QB at least knows hte playbook. which of course leads into the maturity part of it....

 

[AZ_]

How many of those guys that failed have had as much success as he did at the college level individually?

You can't name one.

Define "success."

Gaudy numbers through a system predicated on inflated numbers?

Dime a dozen for nobodies in the NFL.


But what do I know, I thought the 2012 Offensive Rookie of the Year would have immediate success at the NFL level.

 

[The Voice]

Define "success."

Gaudy numbers through a system predicated on inflated numbers?

Dime a dozen for nobodies in the NFL.

Who else won a heisman their freshman year? Nobody

Davey o'brien award freshman year? Nobody

How many of them broke a 43 year old record their freshman year set by a manning?

What did nick saban say about those guys?

But what do I know, I thought the 2012 Offensive Rookie of the Year would have immediate success at the NFL level.

You thought he'd have sustained success, so nice try and thanks for playing.

And before you blame injuries saying that you can't predict them. Reread everything Maximus said about him.

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[Chris]

Braylon sucks. Tons of talent, but he had one great year. Don't ever cite him to prove your point ever again, please. RG3 was good his rookie year though. Again, sucks now.

Better have a QB decision tomorrow.

 

[UDcleveland]

Pretty impressive how many experts we have in developing quarterbacks here.

Or we just have a lot of people with a pair of eyes who have watched Hoyer all year? I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone is claiming to be any kind of guru here (other than AZ per usual - but that's kinda his thing). It doesn't take much expertise to realize it's time for Hoyer to take a seat.

So I really don't think benching Manziel when he hasn't demonstrated what the coaches need him to demonstrate is necessarily hindering his development.

Who argued that? I think most would argue 2 things, and rightfully so:

1. Leaving Johnny on the bench in favor of Hoyer is hindering this team
2. Playing Johnny for the final 3 weeks will not somehow ruin him and his development.