Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[AZ_]

Braylon sucks. Tons of talent, but he had one great year. Don't ever cite him to prove your point ever again, please. RG3 was good his rookie year though. Again, sucks now.

Better have a QB decision tomorrow.

I'll try and be better at predicting injuries next time.

 

[Chris]

I'll try and be better at predicting injuries next time.

Wasn't ripping you for being wrong. We're all just fans and make wrong predictions all the time. Just nothing else to comment on at this point in this "gay" thread.

 

[MalTalm]

How many of those guys that failed have had as much success as he did at the college level individually?

You can't name one.

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Player A:

234 of 350 Attempts for 66.9% completion percentage
3286 yards at 9.4 yards per attempt
32 TDs to 6 INTs
QB rating of 172.5
Rushing stats:
210 attempts for 895 yards and 23 TDs

Player B:

239 of 434 Attempts for 68% completion percentage
3706 yards at 8.5 yards per attempt
26 TDs to 9 INTs
QB rating of 155.3
Rushing stats:
201 attempts for 1410 yards and 21 TDs

Player A is Tebow, Player B is Manziel.

 

[AZ_]

Who else won a heisman their freshman year? Nobody

Davey o'brien award freshman year? Nobody

How many of them broke a 43 year old record their freshman year set by a manning?

What did nick saban say about those guys?

You thought he'd have sustained success, so nice try and thanks for playing.

And before you blame injuries saying that you can't predict them. Reread everything Maximus said about him.

I really just pray you're trolling.

This is just blatant stupidity. It has no place here.

 

[TwoPistols]

Why do we care about what other QBs have done? It's Hoyer vs. Manziel at this point. That's all that matters. And what exactly has Hoyer been good at recently? Throwing the deep ball? No. Accurate? No. Making big plays? Not really. Making plays on the ground? Nope. Reading the defense? Interceptions.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Or we just have a lot of people with a pair of eyes who have watched Hoyer all year? I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone is claiming to be any kind of guru here (other than AZ per usual - but that's kinda his thing). It doesn't take much expertise to realize it's time for Hoyer to take a seat.



Who argued that? I think most would argue 2 things, and rightfully so:

1. Leaving Johnny on the bench in favor of Hoyer is hindering this team
2. Playing Johnny for the final 3 weeks will not somehow ruin him and his development.

unless you work for the team you have absolutely 0 knowledge of what manziel has shown he can do in practice. so to claim that manziel is the better choice and gives the team the best chance of winning, is just making stuff up.

let me put it another way, in the last 10 years hoyer has arguably been the most successful browns QB. To blindly say that manziel has to be better than him, is just flat out wrong, because we have 10 years of browns QBs to prove that otherwise.

 

[The Voice]

let me put it another way, in the last 10 years hoyer has arguably been the most successful browns QB. To blindly say that manziel has to be better than him, is just flat out wrong, because we have 10 years of browns QBs to prove that otherwise.

He's going down quick to Derek Anderson. In fact unless he wins out, that won't hold true. DA went 10-6

Is him being one of the best QB's the Browns have had in 10 years really impressive? No, so he's as lightly better then runny cow shit. He's dog shit.

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[jlj3184]

OK, so Hoyer's "in the conversation" as the "best Browns QB of the past 10 years". As my good friend Steve Langford would say, "Who gives a shit? Who gives a fuck?". To continually trot that standard out as if it means anything is nonsense.

Hoyer had his run here. People will look back at him slightly favorably for what he did here once all the chips fall. That said, his time is over. Whether Johnny is the answer or not, it's time to shed the training wheels. I, for one, give Browns fans the benefit of the doubt that they'll understand some growing pains and not expect Johnny to come in and light the league up right away.

There will be moments of extreme frustration and moments of extreme excitement...sometimes simultaneously. We're realistically out of the playoffs and Hoyer has been flat out awful. There are only a handful of hangers on at this point still in the Hoyer camp...I just hope Pett isn't one of them.

 

[spydy13]

Being the best Browns QB of the past 10 years is like being the world's tallest midget, which means that Johnny is the real answer guys

 

[UDcleveland]

unless you work for the team you have absolutely 0 knowledge of what manziel has shown he can do in practice. so to claim that manziel is the better choice and gives the team the best chance of winning, is just making stuff up.

Did I represent that I had inside information or something? Of course I don't work for the team, and what I'm saying is my opinion, just like everyone else here. I'm not making stuff up any more than you are.

let me put it another way, in the last 10 years hoyer has arguably been the most successful browns QB. To blindly say that manziel has to be better than him, is just flat out wrong, because we have 10 years of browns QBs to prove that otherwise.

Blind would be if I watched Hoyer for the past four weeks and defended him. And quarterbacks of the past 10 years have nothing to do with that. But anyway, I'm not 'flat out wrong,' and neither are you. Remember, we're talking about our opinions.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Did I represent that I had inside information or something? Of course I don't work for the team, and what I'm saying is my opinion, just like everyone else here. I'm not making stuff up any more than you are.
Blind would be if I watched Hoyer for the past four weeks and defended him. And quarterbacks of the past 10 years have nothing to do with that. But anyway, I'm not 'flat out wrong,' and neither are you. Remember, we're talking about our opinions.

let us go back to your original post

Who argued that? I think most would argue 2 things, and rightfully so:

1. Leaving Johnny on the bench in favor of Hoyer is hindering this team
2. Playing Johnny for the final 3 weeks will not somehow ruin him and his development.

1. so how is manziel being on the bench hindering this team? because you dont know that that. and unless you know something the rest of us know. we can only rely on what we have heard, and what the coaches have said and so far that is. 1 manziel doesnt know the entire playbook/only looks at half the field. 2-in support of 1, is that hoyer despite his struggles is still the starter of the team.

the grass is not always greener. i know a lot of people on here are excited that some kid was able to run around and make plays in college, but that isnt how the NFL works.

that said i fully expect to see manziel in the next three weeks (probably even this week), but i hold out absolutely 0 hope that he is going to be this savior of a QB

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Again, the Tebow comparison is hilariously bad. While Tebow did have problems fitting his skill set into an NFL game, he also had totally broken mechanics and did not have half the arm talent of Johnny Manziel. I'm still wondering why McDaniels took a chance on him, although I suspect it was because he was the dream player for a coach, if he was even marginal.

Going back to Manziel, I don't think many doubt his mechanics, at least not nearly to the amount of Tebow. His release is already very fast when he decides to throw the ball. In the Buffalo game, he stayed on balance, threw off the front foot, and was really doing a great job of footwork inside the pocket. He had some hiccups in his drop back, but that's going to happen from time to time with a rookie.

Manziel, unlike a lot of busts like Vince Young, Tebow, or any other highly overrated QB, does have the basis to be a successful pocket QB physically. He can do it, and he has shown to be a quick learner already when it comes to mechanics. The rest is all mental, which is also the hardest part of the game and the part that he didn't show vast aptitude in college. But, to be fair to both sides, he was not asked to diagnose a very confusing defense, nor was he asked to run a more pro style offense. He hardly ever had to turn his back to a defense. He did have to make reads, but it's not even close to the same thing.

Seeing him for a full game will give us a good idea of what he has learned and how he is progressing in the offense. While their are some VERY hard parts to the WCO, the Shanahan version can be dumbed down to a one read offense. Bring in more blockers, run less routes, and let Johnny make a play, it's the same formula that they did in Washington with RGIII. But I think Shanahan could push Johnny more than RGIII, mainly because the owner won't fire him if he does challenge Johnny and Johnny doesn't like it.

I'm excited to see him, we are getting a first look at our shiny new car.

 

[UDcleveland]

let us go back to your original post



1. so how is manziel being on the bench hindering this team? because you dont know that that. and unless you know something the rest of us know.

Correct, I don't know that. And I still don't know something the rest of us don't know. Which is why I said "I think most would argue." Still not presenting my opinions as facts. If you want to continue to pretend that's the case and call me out for it, go on I suppose.

 

[elcheato]

unless you work for the team you have absolutely 0 knowledge of what manziel has shown he can do in practice. so to claim that manziel is the better choice and gives the team the best chance of winning, is just making stuff up.

let me put it another way, in the last 10 years hoyer has arguably been the most successful browns QB. To blindly say that manziel has to be better than him, is just flat out wrong, because we have 10 years of browns QBs to prove that otherwise.

In no way is Brian Hoyer the "most successful Browns QB in the last 10 years". He's been very similar to every Browns QB over the last 10 years, as they all have ranked near the bottom of the league in most major passing statistics (sans Anderson in '07, who was still barely middle of the pack), Hoyer just happens to have the most talented roster the Browns have had in 10 years surrounding him, combined with facing historically one of the worst divisions in league history (NFC South). There's no distinguishing them. They're all shit.

 

[gijimbo]

How tall is Marvin Lewis?

I think it's hilarious he called Manziel a midget. Especially when his quarterback is Andy freaking Dalton and we pounded them earlier this season in Cincitucky.

Would be really excited to smash them again. I'm interested to see what Johnny can do.

EDIT: I know Dalton is at least a few inches taller than Manziel. I just wonder if Lewis is calling Brees and Wilson midgets too?