Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[kosis]

Can't say I have confidence that JFF can win any games this year. Don't think he can last in the NFL and was praying we didn't draft him. That said, fully behind the midget. Hope I'm dead wrong and he fulfills the Chuck Booms prophecy... Brett Favre with a little Russell Wilson mixed in for good measure.

 

[AZ_]

I can say without a shadow of a doubt members who have been talking Browns through the bad and good who also supported Hoyer are Browns fans first. Everybody here will support Johnny if he is ready... the question has been whether he is more fit to lead than the guy who is in his prime years, faults and all. Otherwise we would have taken up ice fishing or stamp collecting by now.

Some of these guys never had a prime.

Nobody has been more adamant than me about keeping Manziel off the field given his collegiate inexperience, but when Hoyer has played to the point of being rendered completely ineffective and getting worse the staff has absolutely no choice left.

We can say with almost utmost certainty that Hoyer had the full faith of the staff and most of the players, managing to play so bad throughout the second half that he lost it all.

Unfortunately that move comes to the dismay of some who have been reluctant/unwilling to lay much blame at the feet of the guy in his "prime years."

 

[godfather]

What is this good you speak of and where can I get some?

The first third of the season wasn't good? Hoyer wasn't playing good football at any point of this season?

He's never been perfect, but it's really hard to deny that Hoyer was playing good football for us.

It's too bad he couldn't get that mojo back, he didn't, and its understandable the change we're making.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The first third of the season wasn't good? Hoyer wasn't playing good football at any point of this season?

Relax, guy. It was a joke, and it was aimed more at how the Browns have sucked forever than a shot at the nice time early this season when we were actually relevant.

 

[godfather]

Relax, guy. It was a joke, and it was aimed more at how the Browns have sucked forever than a shot at the nice time early this season when we were actually relevant.

Then use a sarcasm icon... It's the internet brother.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Then use a sarcasm icon... It's the internet brother.

I like to think that people are occasionally smart enough to sniff out an obviously sarcastic post about the Browns' historical misfortune.

 

[FiveThous]

I like to think that people are occasionally smart enough to sniff out an obviously sarcastic post about the Browns' historical misfortune.

The Browns have had misfortunes? This is news to me.

 

[godfather]

I like to think that people are occasionally smart enough to sniff out an obviously sarcastic post about the Browns' historical misfortune.

 

[Soda]

Socio...

 

[godfather]

The Cleveland Browns are a historically successful franchise.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Unfortunately that move comes to the dismay of some who have been reluctant/unwilling to lay much blame at the feet of the guy in his "prime years."

Incorrect, to the point that nobody has claimed Hoyer has played well in three weeks. Nobody. I was among the several fans who said around four or five weeks ago, "Everyone has bad weeks, sometimes more than one bad week in a row." As much as people love themselves Russell Wilson around here... he has had some real clunker weeks this season.

However, after the Buffalo game, I remember plenty of members saying, "Let's see what happens, Hoyer is clearly on thin ice." Pettine made what I feel was the right call in allowing Hoyer the opportunity to right the ship. Very few starting QBs get the heave ho for a rookie in a legit divisional race late in the year.

Now the Browns aren't mathematically out of the playoffs, but they are certainly emotionally out of the playoffs. If the coach is supposed to motivate the players to win when the playoffs are still a viable option, Pettine did his due diligence the past few weeks.

But has Hoyer been blameless in the Buffalo and Indianapolis losses? Not at all. Nobody here game him a free pass.

 

[Lee]

We have come full circle on number 2's gentlemen.

Let's hope this breaks the curse.

I think Jigo started a thread on this subject several years ago that is still going called "I just pooped a huge log".

 

[Soda]

Don't try to get in the way of someone telling everyone how right they are. You'll undoubtedly be wrong.

 

[Simmy]

 

[Pick6]

I'm going hall of fame Favreish career. Take your cliche analysis' and shove it.