Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Pioneer10]

I can't really believe that people are satisfied with defense that consistently let Tim Duncan go against Iman Shumpert inside.
This reminds me of how much posters defended Mike Brown despite how many messed up things he would do.

 

[Rick Astley]

Come on Richard you're better than that. "Really happy...playing better than he should have." I'm dumbfounded. Have the expectations of Kevin Love reached a new all time low? It's like you people expect way more from a 19 year old rookie on a garbage team than do you from a "superstar" on a loaded team. I don't care if he is the third option and doesn't have to do as much as he used to.

What are you on about? He generally played well except for last game where he didn't play a full quarter. I didn't say anything about his last game. What about that goddamn Wiggins? I don't give a shit whether he ends up being better than MJ himself or he's going to be a destitute man's Paul George. He's not on the roster. Love is.

2-10 shooting & 5rbs in the most playoff like game of the season is completely unacceptable, don't lie to yourself and say it isn't.

Shit games happen. What do you want me to do? Be like you and Birdshit who raze him every time I have the chance? I'm sorry unlike you guys I'm not butthurt about the Wiggins trade. I was over it the second it happened. I'm not entirely depressed in life. I believe we can win with this roster. Again, I'm not talking about the Spurs game. He's been generally playing well for the team. Stats and eye test will disagree with you 10 out of 10.

Everybody on the Spurs team stepped up their game, and so did Kyrie and LeBron. The only player worth noting that didn't was Kevin. I suppose Kevin used his telepathic powers to cause Kawhi to miss those 2 free throws while he was sitting on the bench. Give him props when he plays exceptional but stop passive aggressively defending him when he plays like complete crap.

Now you're being petty. Shit games happen, Hermione. Your usual gang is the one who's nuts whenever Love displeases you. You guys forget the tons of games where he played good over the games where he played like in Spurs. Games that happen to our 1st and 2nd options as well. But I don't see you guys make 2-3 pages over there when they play bad. Oh that's right, this is about the Canadian kid who I don't give a fuck.

 

[Rick Astley]

Yeah, the article didn't really say much, but the point remains, he didn't come here to watch us win from the bench. I have a hard time believing we weren't better off with him on the floor in the fourth quarter, and unless the injury rumors are true I doubt he appreciated it either.

He's definitely still hurt. He's probably "out for season" by now and collecting ping pong balls if he wasn't traded here. I'm still astounded he can/wanted to play and average a tad.

 

[Rick Astley]

I can't really believe that people are satisfied with defense that consistently let Tim Duncan go against Iman Shumpert inside.
This reminds me of how much posters defended Mike Brown despite how many messed up things he would do.

Shit don't even remind us. I believe I was nearing a ban during those times because I couldn't shut up about this guy even when he won his accolades. It only took a second stint for his defenders to hate him.

 

[Snarly]

Everyone complains about the switches, but the defense was just another reason they were able to get back in it. That group got enough stops to take the lead.

You may be right and it is true. However Love did have good D when he came back in OT on Duncan and I think the the call to put him back in was a confidence boost. I heard he was walking in the tunnel and a player had to go find him. He has some confidence issues and I think he thinks he is not as good as he thought he is. Bosh was right as you have to re think yourself to be on a real champion team. Love no matter what the cause has to know he is still a huge part of this team even if he is not putting up the numbers he is used to. Duncan is a perfect example of this... Just play your game be smart and you will find your grove on any team.

 

[clevelandrox23]

What are you on about? He generally played well except for last game where he didn't play a full quarter. I didn't say anything about his last game. What about that goddamn Wiggins? I don't give a shit whether he ends up being better than MJ himself or he's going to be a destitute man's Paul George. He's not on the roster. Love is.

Do you attribute him not playing the 4th quarter due to his injury or his inability to produce on the court? I'm sure it will be because of his unofficial injury. If that is the case then why did he come back into the game during overtime? Is it because he has the heart of a Lion? That must be it. He still played 30+ minutes and went 2-10 from the field with 5 rebounds. Old man Duncan went 7-11 with 11 rebounds and 4 blocks. Am I expecting too much of Kevin to produce consistently in big games?

Shit games happen. What do you want me to do? Be like you and Birdshit who raze him every time I have the chance? I'm sorry unlike you guys I'm not butthurt about the Wiggins trade. I was over it the second it happened. I'm not entirely depressed in life. I believe we can win with this roster. Again, I'm not talking about the Spurs game. He's been generally playing well for the team. Stats and eye test will disagree with you 10 out of 10.

Who is Birdshit? @Birdy89 ? Dangit Richard! I'm not entirely depressed, just mostly depressed!

Now you're being petty. Shit games happen, Hermione. Your usual gang is the one who's nuts whenever Love displeases you. You guys forget the tons of games where he played good over the games where he played like in Spurs. Games that happen to our 1st and 2nd options as well. But I don't see you guys make 2-3 pages over there when they play bad. Oh that's right, this is about the Canadian kid who I don't give a fuck.

Comparing LeBron's and Kyrie's respective seasons to Kevin is like comparing apples to oranges. Kyrie has proven to step up time and time again in clutch situations like the other night. LeBron is LeBron, he speaks for himself. Kevin has by no means played like a superstar while in Cleveland. Yes, while in Minny he was a star but he has not been a star thus far in Cleveland hence him not making the allstar game, at least that much I think you can agree with.

Take that Richard!

He's definitely still hurt. He's probably "out for season" by now and collecting ping pong balls if he wasn't traded here. I'm still astounded he can/wanted to play and average a tad.

That's such a convenient explanation that it grows tiresome, where are the "he's definitely still hurt comments" when he has a good game? Like a few days ago against Dallas when he went 9-17 which I gave him credit for. Now he is definitely out for the season if he wasn't on the Cavs? When does the madness end. I'd think we'd at least rest him till the playoffs if he was that injured.

 

[Jscc]

Old man Duncan went 7-11 with 11 rebounds and 4 blocks. Am I expecting too much of Kevin to produce consistently in big games?

Old man Duncan touches the ball every possession. Tony Parker also runs pick and rolls/pops with him.

Kevin Love would love to get the ball and produce like that. In fact, that's exactly what Kevin did with Ricky Rubio in Minnesota. The result was two 26 PPG and 12 RPG+ seasons.

 

[Rick Astley]

Do you attribute him not playing the 4th quarter due to his injury or his inability to produce on the court? I'm sure it will be because of his unofficial injury. If that is the case then why did he come back into the game during overtime? Is it because he has the heart of a Lion? That must be it. He still played 30+ minutes and went 2-10 from the field with 5 rebounds. Old man Duncan went 7-11 with 11 rebounds and 4 blocks. Am I expecting too much of Kevin to produce consistently in big games?

You're not reading anything I said. I didn't defend nor bash him for his outing in the Spurs game. Boy, you're really going all out all because he had a bad game. Wow. Color me shocked.

Comparing LeBron's and Kyrie's respective seasons to Kevin is like comparing apples to oranges.

Is that why he's being criticized as if he's 1st option?

Kyrie has proven to step up time and time again in clutch situations like the other night. LeBron is LeBron he speaks for himself. Kevin has by no means played like a superstar while in Cleveland. Yes, while in Minny he was a star but he has not been a star thus far in Cleveland hence him not making the allstar game, at least that much I think you can agree with.

So Kyrie > Love. LeBron > Love. Tell me something that we don't know. You're asking him to be a star when he isn't even the focal point of the offense? Where he goes a full quarter without shooting it? I don't get it. He's averaging 17/10/2 for not being the 1st option and a many a time being the 4th option!

That's such a convenient explanation that it grows tiresome, where are the "he's definitely still hurt comments" when he has a good game? Like a few days ago against Dallas when he went 9-17 which I gave him credit for.

Insiders confirmed he is indeed hurting. If you want to discredit them, it's fine. It's their word against yours. Oh man, I feel like a wanker for quoting myself:

At this point, I'm really happy whatever Love is bringing to the table. He's playing better than he should have.

Him having a great game despite hurt is gravy. All I'm asking is for him to space out and rebound like a maniac. He's done it so well.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

Old man Duncan touches the ball every possession. Tony Parker also runs pick and rolls/pops with him.

Kevin Love would love to get the ball and produce like that. In fact, that's exactly what Kevin did with Ricky Rubio in Minnesota. The result was two 26 PPG and 12 RPG+ seasons.

Probably a good idea since Rubio has difficulty scoring in an empty gym. And, Parker and Duncan have been playing together in meaningful moments for a generation. It's unlikely that chemistry like those guys have will be there in five years of playing together, let alone 60 games.

 

[clevelandrox23]

You're not reading anything I said. I didn't defend nor bash him for his outing in the Spurs game. Boy, you're really going all out all because he had a bad game. Wow. Color me shocked.

I give you bonus points for your prompt response, I still have ammunition in my reserves Richard. If it was just the Spurs game I would completely agree with you. When you watch an amazing game and witness every key player elevating their level of play is it too much to ask for Kevin to play an even ok game? That is what the playoffs are all about and that last game had a playoff-like feel.

Is that why he's being criticized as if he's 1st option?

He deserves just as much criticism as any max level player that is due to receive a 9 figure extension would get. If he was the third or fourth option on the team and making 8 million a year I might actually be a big fan of his. Do you believe Kevin is worth a 9 figure extension? From all of your defending of him throughout this season with his unofficial injury, inept coach misusing him, teammates that don't respect him...it would appear by your own admission that you don't believe that he is worth that kind of money for this team.

So Kyrie > Love. LeBron > Love. Tell me something that we don't know. You're asking him to be a star when he isn't even the focal point of the offense? Where he goes a full quarter without shooting it? I don't get it. He's averaging 17/10/2 for not being the 1st option and a many a time being the 4th option!

Yes Richard, now it seems as simple as 2+2=4. But before this season began I dare say a lot of people on rcf believed that 2+2=5. Many thought that Love was better than Kyrie. Again, we've been here before. This is where you believe that offenses' have to be made to cater to stars while I believe a star would impose his own will no matter what offense the team is running.

Insiders confirmed he is indeed hurting. If you want to discredit them, it's fine. It's their word against yours. Oh man, I feel like a wanker for quoting myself:

My word has nothing to do with this. It is Kevin's word that matters and according to Kevin he is fine. According to Blatt he is fine. According to Griffin he is fine. If he was so injured the team would rest him for the playoff run. So Kevin's pride, love for his teammates, and will to play trump what his coach, Griffin, and even LeBron think about his injury? Again I digress, where was this horrible injury a few days ago against Dallas?

Him having a great game despite hurt is gravy. All I'm asking is for him to space out and rebound like a maniac. He's done it so well.

And this is why we'd be completely different gms. Good rebounding and spacing does not buy a 9 figure extension.

 

[Jscc]

Probably a good idea since Rubio has difficulty scoring in an empty gym.

All the more impressive considering the defense can focus on one of two players in the set.

 

[And1]

Old man Duncan touches the ball every possession. Tony Parker also runs pick and rolls/pops with him.

Kevin Love would love to get the ball and produce like that. In fact, that's exactly what Kevin did with Ricky Rubio in Minnesota. The result was two 26 PPG and 12 RPG+ seasons.

Exact fukin ly

 

[Jscc]

With the season almost over, I was curious to see how Kevin Love's first season with LeBron measured against Chris Bosh's first season with LeBron.

2014-2015 Kevin Love vs. 2010-2011 Chris Bosh

1. Kevin's stats are comparable to Bosh's first year in Miami. Kevin [21.7% USG] is used even less than Bosh [23.5% USG] was.

You'll notice their TS% is also almost identical.

2. Kevin's current 33 double-doubles through 64 games is more than Bosh's entire 2010-2011 season @ 28 through 77 games.

Apparently Kevin Love is a more productive PF than Bosh even when Kevin's asked to stay on the perimeter and Bosh is allegedly banging in the post...

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

The Cavs are running an elite offense, Kevin Love is active and engaged and helpful defensively and he moves the ball well for our team. He isn't causing locker room problems. I'd like to see him finish games, but sometimes to get the best shots you need to spread the floor with LBJ at the 4 and Thompson just works better as a 5 than Love does in those scenarios.

Love is going to do the same thing LeBron James does this summer, he's going to exercise his player option and set himself up for a monster contract the following summer. If things work out and we win, Gilbert will gladly pay him. If they don't work out and things become disastrous, he'll bolt. But we have nothing to worry about this summer. The only thing worth talking about this offseason is scouting the draft for the guys salted to go in the 20-25 range keeping Smith, Shumpert, and seeing what we can get for Haywood.

 

[Cavatt]

I have legit concern whether Love can get his shit off over defenders like Duncan and Splitter in the post. It makes sense to draw guys like that out to the 3 point line. I have just noted how much length has bothered Kevin this year. He really sets very few screens as well which i don't understand.

He is a great decoy as his guys stick with him, but he doesn't do much to lose his man. He also passes up a lot of the that Kyrie or JR would definitely take.

I just want to see him be more aggressive.