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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
Can we let the season play out a bit before we start talking about who deserves more shots? Irving looks very good at the moment. Who cares if he gets more shots than Love. He most likely will as he has the ball in his hands much more than him.

Is that a bad thing? No...Irving hasn't even scratched the surface with his potential yet so why are people claiming if KI gets more shots than Love, we have a major problem? I feel like some of you people have never watched Irving play before. He could have a special year this year.

Obviously, Lebron is much better at setting up players than both KI and Waiters. Didn't we know that going in? So why does everyone have their panties in a bunch from one preseason game where our best distributor didn't play and Irving took more shots then Love? Perhaps Blatt has yet to unveil all of his offense? Couldn't blame him considering this is PRE-SEASON but a coach can't be that smart to hide things from the opponent, right? I mean, we haven't seen that from a coach in the past eight years so why would we think that's even a possibility? Maybe, Blatt is just a real coach?

Sheesh, this season can't start any faster.
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tion-will-be-about-more-than-just-the-numbers

When a trio as talented as LeBron James, Kyrie Irvingand Kevin Love joins forces, it’s inevitable that talk of titles and legacies would temporarily take a back seat to other, more dramatic concerns.

Who’s the head honcho? Which one will have to make the biggest statistical sacrifice? Whose team is it? Who’s the third fiddle?

As the only one not there by dint of draft or decision, Love is the natural target for such trivia.

Lucky and unlucky for him alike, then, that Love’s transformation is about much more than mere numbers.



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There are only so many of them to go around, after all. And while Love’s rebounding and three-point shooting should prove especially potent in head coach David Blatt’s high-powered offense, the days of being a perpetual focal point are long gone.

To his credit, Love has sounded every bit the good soldier in the weeks leading up to Cleveland’s grand tour. Take, for example, his revealing debut for the Derek Jeter-headed Players’ Tribune, for which Love will serve as Senior Editor:

After I was traded this summer, I kept hearing about how our challenge was going to be figuring out how to share the ball among LeBron, Kyrie and myself. Reporters kept asking me how I felt about it.

Are you the second wheel? Are you the third wheel? What about your stats?

To them I say: I don’t care. I’ve never played in a playoff game. I came to Cleveland because I want to win. I’ll grab a broom and sweep the floors if it gets me an NBA title.

For a player who finished in the top five in scoring, rebounding and PER a season ago, such conciliation is as curious as it is comforting. At 26 years old, Love has already established himself as arguably the best power forward in the league—a double-double dynamo whose old-school style belies a distinctly 21stcentury efficiency.



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It’s not the kind of trajectory one gives up lightly. And rightly so: should Love take too deep a backseat, he risks rendering run-of-the-mill what could’ve been a Hall-of-Fame resume.

To rewire one’s basketball brain in this way is a lot harder than it sounds. Indeed, there are many, including Grantland’s Zach Lowe, who see plenty of trial and error in store for Cleveland’s tantalizing trio—and K-Love in particular.

We can debate Love’s shortcomings, and loudly revoke his superstar card for failing to lead his team to the playoffs in any of his first six seasons. And he has shortcomings. He offers no rim protection, he lollygags in transition defense, he’s not going to make spirited second and third rotations on the same defensive possession, and he often fails to challenge shots in order to secure boxout position — and precious rebounds. Love wants his numbers.

It’s not as if Love’s production is headed for a hemorrhage, of course; if anything, an uptick in possessions could mean Love’s raw rebounding numbers actually improve.

As for the 18.5 shots a game? Forget it. The 26.1 points? Not a chance.

Opinions abound as to how Chris Bosh’s transition from unquestioned cornerstone of the Toronto Raptorsto third fiddle on the James andDwyane Wade-led Miami Heatmight be a bellwether for Love’s own role redefinition. And for good reason:



Bosh: Before and After (per game stats)
PeriodFGAPointsReboundsUsage Rate
Season before joining MIA16.524.010.828.7
Season after joining MIA13.718.78.323.5
Basketball-Reference.com



To his credit, Bosh was able to adjust his game without nary a complaint—a shining example of how a perennial All-Star can effectively mesh within a drastically different, star-laden framework.

If only it were so simple. In a recent interview with Bleacher Report’s Ethan Skolnick, Bosh shed an intriguing light on what it was like complimenting the planet’s greatest player.



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"It's going to be very difficult for him," Bosh said. "Even if I was in his corner and I was able to tell him what to expect and what to do, it still doesn't make any difference. You still have to go through things, you still have to figure out things on your own. It's extremely difficult and extremely frustrating. He's going to have to deal with that."

Mind you, this is a Heat team that won two championships and appeared in four NBA Finals in as many seasons. And even then—with his squad perched perpetually at or one notch shy the mountaintop—Bosh’s basketball appetite was never quite sated.

Still, that kind of candor isn’t the sort of thing that wounds a legacy. Poll 1,000 Heat fans as to whether Bosh’s remarks somehow cast him in a more unflattering light, you probably wouldn’t find enough yeas to field a game of five-on-five.

Which brings us to perhaps the biggest factor working in Love’s favor: Cleveland’s 50-year championship drought.



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It’s not just that winning an NBA title would warrant Love greatness grand enough to make even mediocre production look heroic; it’s that Love—in recognizing that very dynamic—wouldn’t dare turn his tenure into an argument over touches.

Call him a stat-padder all you want, Love is no fool. He knows the terms on which he left the Minnesota Timberwolves were far from amicable. He understands that, next to LeBron’s prodigal return and Irving’s homegrown clout, the spotlight stands to feel a little more searing when he’s beneath it.

The good news: Cleveland—with three basketball beasts and a sideline genius to its credit—has a chance to completely rewrite the offensive record books, not to mention exorcise decades worth of demons. If that’s not incentive enough to cast aside concern over one’s stats, nothing is.

In trading painful patience for extraordinary expectations, Love forever bent the lens through which we view him. So long as he plays the good sport, though, we should have no reason increase our microscope's magnifying power.​
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.

I have seen absolutely no evidence to support this theory. Further more, Chris Bosh absolutely quit on his own team and had no desire to stay with the Raptors after they offered him multiple times to stay, while Kevin Love was literally fighting his management team to get him to pay what he thought he deserved so he COULD stay.

This seems like either revisionist history or you are pissed they traded two Canadians for Love. Either way, it couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Minnesota was 33-16 when love shot over 41.7 %.
Minnesota was 38-38 when love took more than 10+attempts.
Its not about how many shots he takes, its about how efficient he is at making them,

forcing the ball to Love just to force the ball to him doesn't mean more wins . it would mean more inefficient games.

Lebron meanwhile had 27 or 28 games taking 20 or more attempts per game. The heat was 20-1 when he made 14 or more of his attempts.

Love have 35 games of 20 or more attempts. 18 of those games he shot less than 50% from the field.

Irving took 20 or more shots in 19 games

Interesting stat on Irving record wise W7-L12, when taking 20 or more shots. W10-L4 when taking 12 or fewer shots.

Waiters had 8 games of 20 shots or more. the Cavs were 4-4 in those games.

now i really dont want to see james dominating the ball in the regular season taking all those shots . and i dont want the ball forced to love.
That means you have to let you backcourt get the greenlight .. especially when they combine for 13 of 21 shooting like they did in Memphis.

All 4 guys are gonna be in the 12-18 fga a game range and i am fine with that.

I wanted reference the bulls game Where Lebron afterward said the Bulls were a better team right now. What james was talking about was execution and chemistry for things such as picks, (Rose got quite a few of them) boxing out and team communication on both sides of the court.

Im far more concerned about chemistry between Irving and Love than anything else. Irving doesnt seem to have any issues kicking out to an open perimeter guy or a guy in the mid range but he does seem to have problems getting it to the post guy in good position.

at the same time . i havent seen love when he is allegedly wide open stepping up into the paint and setting a pick.

When love does get the ball in the post he seems somewhat tentative at times and kicks it back ou unnecessarily.. the Cavs cant force to Love to make a post move when he doesnt want to or isnt ready.

It would just be nice if peple would enjoy watching this team develop instead of looking for scapegoats on why everything isnt a well oiled machine.

A V and Thompson have already been the beneficiaries of loves presence. Teams like memphis even adjusted for that.

Love and the other guys seem intent on making the right basketball play.. this james philosphy and blatts as well but they dont always know what the best basketball play is. this is a learning process and dont be surprised to see these guys mad after wins. thats a good thing.

I much prefer loves willingness to learn to play with a backcourt dominant team than Bynums attitude about.
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.

I'm sure Love has some issues with the way Kyrie and Dion move the ball and not setting up shots for him on the inside. I think he knows LeBron will do that for him, he just want those two other guys to be ready to do the same because let's face it, those two guys love to play hero-ball and pass the ball late. I don't think Love is going to have a problem playing with LeBron.
 
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Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.

I disagreed with the post but since I can't rate it twice I thought I would just let you know that I also think it's dumb.
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.

Averaging almost a double double per game last season and will probably be doing the same doesn't make him a solid dude?

I am sure Love is willingly to sacrifice stats for a championship. Did you not see his letter?

You're lost.
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.
We haven't seen this at all IMO. I assume your talking about him kinda pouting when he's wide open and doesn't get the ball, just for a long 2 to go up.

All shooters do that
 
Kevin Love may be a better fit with Bron than Bosh was, but he's not as solid a dude. Bosh was a million % willing to sacrifice his ego to support Bron, we already see cracks showing that KLove isn't as willing. Love is kind of a crusty fella, and I just hope he doesn't pout and screw up the chemistry and/or leave after 1 year.

Whole lot of baseless speculation in this.

Facts:

-Love has stated numerous times that he just wants to win, even going as far as saying he would sweep floors for a championship.

-It's the preseason & we're still getting the kinks out on the offensive side of the ball.. learning the system, getting used to playing with each other, and making adjustments will only help in getting all the kinks worked out.

-Winning cures a lot of things.

-With this offense, the same guy won't lead in shot attempts every game. Some days it'll be LeBron, some days Love, some days Kyrie. Adjustments need to be made, but when we're racking up the wins, it makes the guys play looser, buy into the system, and keep playing smart, winning basketball.
 
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Lebron and Love pick and rolling can't get here soon enough:encouragement:
 
are we gonna need a thread defining what constitutes hero ball,
 

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