Kyrie Irving

[shoes22]

Can we start negotiating a max extension with Kyrie on July 1st?

Yes, and that's exactly what the team plans to do.

 

[kidduck]

At his post-draft press conference, David Griffin mentioned Kyrie Irving before being asked about the Cavs guard.


The Cavs general manager first mentioned how he wants people who are "all the way in or you're all the way out. And Andrew Wiggins is all the way in on Cleveland."

 

[stowfan]

Here are some numbers I have a real problem with:

Cavs over all record last year, 33-49 40% winning percentage
71 games Kyrie played in, 27-43 38% winning percentage
11 games Kyrie missed, 5-6 45% winning percentage

All six losses were to playoff teams by nine points or less.

How many other teams play better without their star player?

 

[CavsFTW]

Here are some numbers I have a real problem with:

Cavs over all record last year, 33-49 40% winning percentage
71 games Kyrie played in, 27-43 38% winning percentage
11 games Kyrie missed, 5-6 45% winning percentage

All six losses were to playoff teams by nine points or less.

How many other teams play better without their star player?

Kyrie has superstar potential. We all know it because we all see it. The problem is he still doesn't understand how to play defense or make his teammates better. That's why the team didn't miss him last season. This is what makes the Coach Blatt hire so intriguing. When he sees problems he tends to fix em.

Kyrie is a huge problem, but once fixed, will become a huge problem for everybody else.

 

[Tressel33]

Nobody ever mentions Felix. I'm really excited about this kid. When he played at the end of this past season, he showed he can play in this league.This kid can help this team IMO.

 

[Nathan S]

If you want to know how the Cavs do with Kyrie vs. without Kyrie, just look at plus/minus stats. Any other approach is prone to bias and distorts the issue.

 

[stowfan]

Kyrie has superstar potential. We all know it because we all see it. The problem is he still doesn't understand how to play defense or make his teammates better. That's why the team didn't miss him last season. This is what makes the Coach Blatt hire so intriguing. When he sees problems he tends to fix em.

Kyrie is a huge problem, but once fixed, will become a huge problem for everybody else.

So we dump Waiters to keep Kyrie happy, and what if the hero ball continues? We look like complete fucking idiots! We talk about bring in vets, they don't want to put up with that shit. It took Loul Deng about 10 games to figure it out.

 

[JSS2306]

Here are some numbers I have a real problem with:

Cavs over all record last year, 33-49 40% winning percentage
71 games Kyrie played in, 27-43 38% winning percentage
11 games Kyrie missed, 5-6 45% winning percentage

All six losses were to playoff teams by nine points or less.

How many other teams play better without their star player?

Yet he's being hailed as a rich mans Tony Parker.

Blatt seems like a no-nonsense type of guy so Kyrie better buckle up and get to business this year. I still believe Kyrie can shape his game that helps the team as a whole.

 

[kaner]

So we dump Waiters to keep Kyrie happy, and what if the hero ball continues? We look like complete fucking idiots! We talk about bring in vets, they don't want to put up with that shit. It took Loul Deng about 10 games to figure it out.

I'm so sick of people trying to trade one or the other before we even see what Blatt can do with them, not to mention Lue specifically wants to make them play off of each other better... especially with a competent wing like Wiggins playing off both of them instead of Gee. Waiters has that cocky swagger and plays with a chip on his shoulder, and is extremely talented. Let's play a few games with them all before playing GM and trying to get rid of one or the other.

 

[stowfan]

If you want to know how the Cavs do with Kyrie vs. without Kyrie, just look at plus/minus stats. Any other approach is prone to bias and distorts the issue.

Wins and loses are the bottom line, period. Last time I checked, plus/miss didn't win titles. I guess if your a Kyrie fan, you best avoid the issue. Would the Heat play better basketball without Lebron, or the Thunder without KD, or the lakers without Kobe?

 

[Kyrieville]

Here are some numbers I have a real problem with:

Cavs over all record last year, 33-49 40% winning percentage
71 games Kyrie played in, 27-43 38% winning percentage
11 games Kyrie missed, 5-6 45% winning percentage

All six losses were to playoff teams by nine points or less.

How many other teams play better without their star player?

I think the Cavs went 7-0 without LeBron one season.

 

[jvl]

I'm so sick of people trying to trade one or the other before we even see what Blatt can do with them, not to mention Lue specifically wants to make them play off of each other better... especially with a competent wing like Wiggins playing off both of them instead of Gee. Waiters has that cocky swagger and plays with a chip on his shoulder, and is extremely talented. Let's play a few games with them all before playing GM and trying to get rid of one or the other.

Totally agree. Dumping young talent is foolish. Blatt will do better with all our young talented players.

 

[Stitches]

Here are some numbers I have a real problem with:

Cavs over all record last year, 33-49 40% winning percentage
71 games Kyrie played in, 27-43 38% winning percentage
11 games Kyrie missed, 5-6 45% winning percentage

All six losses were to playoff teams by nine points or less.

How many other teams play better without their star player?

Too small a sample size in my opinion. Two more losses and it is the same record with Kyrie as without.

Granted it is not guarantee we'd lose "the next two". I just think the better argument is that it should be worrying that we are not seemingly significantly better with Kyrie than we are without him.

Of course, you could then argue that it's too difficult for him to overcome so many shortcomings around the team, including (but not limited to) coaching, poor roster fits, and too much Bynum early on.

All I know is I think Kyrie is better than John Wall, and he rewarded the Wizards this past year after he got a big extension, so I'd hope Kyrie could do the same.

 

[Nathan S]

Wins and loses are the bottom line, period. Last time I checked, plus/miss didn't win titles. I guess if your a Kyrie fan, you best avoid the issue. Would the Heat play better basketball without Lebron, or the Thunder without KD, or the lakers without Kobe?

No, I mean, plus/minus stats don't exactly like Kyrie either. They typically rate him league average or mildly below league average. I'm just saying that it's a much better way to evaluate how a player affects his team's performance.

 

[Dr. Claw]

So we dump Waiters to keep Kyrie happy, and what if the hero ball continues? We look like complete fucking idiots! We talk about bring in vets, they don't want to put up with that shit. It took Loul Deng about 10 games to figure it out.

Hero ball won't be continuing. Wiggins and Bennett will make that a thing of a past...