Kyrie Irving

[bigfoot5415]

Will these be the two to lead Cleveland to its first championship in forever?

If ppl (not saying you) are going to photo shop Wiggins in a Cavs jersey, at least photo shop the right number on his jersey.

 

[CavsFan87]

I don't think Dion Waiters sucks. I'm just not buying the hype.

Dion post all star break: 19 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG - 46% FG, 37% 3PFG

How does one eliminate the "hype" tag? To me that stat line is more real than "hype".

 

[stowfan]

No he's not.

I know this is Kyrie's thread but, here' 3 minutes from Dion's rookie year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-MWDad_zc&hd=1

 

[killerkev369]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[Rich]

Dion post all star break: 19 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG - 46% FG, 37% 3PFG

How does one eliminate the "hype" tag? To me that stat line is more real than "hype".

Well I think you gotta start by using bigger sample sizes. I said this before to this thing, but anyone wanna go look up Nick Young's final 15 games last year? If you went by those averages he'd be the second best SG in the league. It's a start and all...but it's still only 1/3 of 1 season.

 

[Kyrieville]

I wasn't too fond of Kyrie last season, but I'm excited to see him play under Blatt. Clean slate with me.

 

[killerkev369]

I wasn't too fond of Kyrie last season, but I'm excited to see him play under Blatt. Clean slate with me.

I'm willing to give him a mulligan for the last season. But the trends really aren't in his favor so far.

 

[CavsFanJapan]

When there are more players who can hit shots and a defense can't double up on Kyrie, his numbers will jump up. He is too good. Last season will prove to be an outlier and he will flourish under Blatt.
As a side note, I don't think he signs an extension this season until he has a year under Blatt to check things out. He doesn't have to sign it yet but it would make things a little more dicey over the season. 3 coaches in 3 years would be concerning for a young player. Ultimately, I think he stays but is cautious this coming season. The one thing about waiting is that if an injury occurs, he could screw himself out of some serious money. We shall see very soon.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Well I think you gotta start by using bigger sample sizes. I said this before to this thing, but anyone wanna go look up Nick Young's final 15 games last year? If you went by those averages he'd be the second best SG in the league. It's a start and all...but it's still only 1/3 of 1 season.

It wasn't even post All-Star break. His last 41 games he was giving you 16.4 PPG, 3.3 APG, 2.5 RPG, 1 SPG in only 29 MPG. Shot 44.2% from the floor, 36.3% from 3.

I hate using it because it's hypothetical, but that's a 20.3 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG, 1.2 SPG per/36 minutes line the last half of the season. When does a small sample size become a full blown turned corner? Also, why is this being discussed here?

 

[Derek]

It wasn't even post All-Star break. His last 41 games he was giving you 16.4 PPG, 3.3 APG, 2.5 RPG, 1 SPG in only 29 MPG. Shot 44.2% from the floor, 36.3% from 3.

I hate using it because it's hypothetical, but that's a 20.3 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG, 1.2 SPG per/36 minutes line the last half of the season. When does a small sample size become a full blown turned corner? Also, why is this being discussed here?

Not to be that guy, but those are pretty much the same per 36 averages that Marcus Thornton had for the first 4 years of his career. The game goes beyond the numbers, and until we start winning games, Dion's game (among others) is going to be questioned.

 

[Nathan S]

Not to be that guy, but those are pretty much the same per 36 averages that Marcus Thornton had for the first 4 years of his career. The game goes beyond the numbers, and until we start winning games Dion's game (among others) is going to be questioned.

Thornton's career high in assists per 36 was 2.7, and that's a problem that dates back to his college days. Dion's potential as a facilitator sets him apart, and he definitely showed flashes of that toward the end of the season.

 

[Rich]

It wasn't even post All-Star break. His last 41 games he was giving you 16.4 PPG, 3.3 APG, 2.5 RPG, 1 SPG in only 29 MPG. Shot 44.2% from the floor, 36.3% from 3.

I hate using it because it's hypothetical, but that's a 20.3 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG, 1.2 SPG per/36 minutes line the last half of the season. When does a small sample size become a full blown turned corner? Also, why is this being discussed here?

And those are ok numbers. But they aren't special and they don't point to a guy on the verge of becoming an all-star. That's what Jamal Crawford will give you.

 

[Cashius X]

And those are ok numbers. But they aren't special and they don't point to a guy on the verge of becoming an all-star. That's what Jamal Crawford will give you.

Since when is 16,3,3, and 1 in 29 MPG, especially for a sophomore guard, not special?

Even the Per/36 stats are impressive. Those are exceptional numbers for a player so young and early into his NBA career. And when you actually watch him play and get a feel for his game you get the sense that he is capable of producing even more. I don't think it's a stretch at all to look at Dion's numbers, combine that with a knowledge of his game/play style and envision an all-star appearance in the near future.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Not to be that guy, but those are pretty much the same per 36 averages that Marcus Thornton had for the first 4 years of his career. The game goes beyond the numbers, and until we start winning games, Dion's game (among others) is going to be questioned.

Oh, I agree. I'm not saying it shouldn't be questioned. It's just I think he turned the corner last year, and now he has to take that next step. A step which I hope includes more efficiency from the free throw line.

And those are ok numbers. But they aren't special and they don't point to a guy on the verge of becoming an all-star. That's what Jamal Crawford will give you.

No, but they do point to a young player trending the right way. I don't think even you can deny that. I still want to see how Dion's numbers would look compared to Beal and Klay Thompson's (guys who are lauded in here by posters) if he was playing as many minutes as they are. His Per 36 and Per 100 possessions scoring, assists, steals, and FTA numbers are all superior, but they are nothing but hypothetical what-ifs to this point.

 

[Jack Brickman]

And those are ok numbers. But they aren't special and they don't point to a guy on the verge of becoming an all-star. That's what Jamal Crawford will give you.

But that's assuming he doesn't get any better, which seems a little ridiculous given that he's only twenty-two and has a great work ethic. I mean, we saw how much better he was last year compared to his rookie year. He spent all last summer working on his shot and, well, it worked. It looked much, much better and fell at a better clip from everywhere except the free throw line (something I expect to make its way back to the mean this year).