• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

Kyrie Irving

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
Status
Not open for further replies.
Let me know when Kyrie stops giving up what he puts up. Most overrated player in the league -- especially by his own fanbase. I wouldn't trade one Stephen Curry for 5 Kyrie Irvings.

Glad your not our GM...

Seriously I don't want to derail this thread, but why don't you compare Curry's stats at 22 to Kyrie's at 20? And think about who they had playing around them...To say they aren't comparable is ridiculous

Curry @ age 22: 33 mpg, 49% FG, 44% 3PFG, 93 FT%, 18 PPG, 5.8 APG, 3.1 RPG, 1.5 SPG


Kyrie @ age 20: 34.7 mpg, 45% FG, 39% 3PFG, 85 FT%, 22.5 PPG, 5.9 APG, 3.2 RPG, 1.5 SPG


Stop taking last year so seriously. Statistically almost every Cav player declined under Mike Brown. I'll admit, Curry is more efficient, but you can't say the two aren't "comparable". Come on man...
 
Glad your not our GM...

A note to all the b-hurt Kyrie fanboys:

Make an objective argument on why Kyrie Irving is equal to or better than Stephen Curry. That's all you need to do. No need to complain about my posts or point fingers. I'm actually very interested in seeing the perspective of a fan who honestly believes that.
 
A note to all the b-hurt Kyrie fanboys:

Make an objective argument on why Kyrie Irving is equal to or better than Stephen Curry. That's all you need to do. No need to complain about my posts or point fingers. I'm actually very interested in seeing the perspective of a fan who honestly believes that.

Edited my post buddy. Your saying Kyrie "isn't even close" to the superstar that Steph Curry is. The numbers don't lie...
 
A note to all the b-hurt Kyrie fanboys:

Make an objective argument on why Kyrie Irving is better than Stephen Curry. That's all you need to do. No need to complain about my posts or point fingers. I'm actually very interested in seeing the perspective of a fan who honestly believes Irving is equal to or better than Curry.

Per 36

Stephen Curry's first 3 seasons (ages 21-23): 18.6 points (47/44/90), 6.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, .3 blocks, 3.1 turnovers

Kyrie Irving's first 3 seasons (ages 19-21): 22.1 points (45/38/86), 6.2 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.5 steals, .4 blocks, 3.2 turnovers

Kyrie's also missed less time over his entire career (49 games) than Curry missed in his third season alone (56 games).
 
Last edited:
Per 36

Stephen Curry's first 3 seasons (ages 21-23): 18.6 points (47/44/90), 6.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, .3 blocks, 3.1 turnovers

Kyrie Irving's first 3 seasons (ages 19-21): 22.1 points (45/38/86), 6.2 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.5 steals, .4 blocks, 3.2 turnovers

Kyrie's also missed less time over his entire career (49 games) than Curry missed in his third season alone (56 games).

After reading your post and my own, I'm expecting a biased statistical comparison to come from CavsFTW - i.e "lets compare their 2013-14 season side by side"....lol
 
Per 36

Stephen Curry's first 3 seasons (ages 21-23): 18.6 points (47/44/90), 6.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, .3 blocks, 3.1 turnovers

Kyrie Irving's first 3 seasons (ages 19-21): 22.1 points (45/38/86), 6.2 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.5 steals, .4 blocks, 3.2 turnovers

Kyrie's also missed less time over his entire career (49 games) than Curry missed in his third season alone (56 games).
The first two responses have been predictable so far. Box score averages -- which is practically the only measurement where Irving compares with Curry. Why not post a more comprehensive measurement that figures in both offense and defense? Let's see Kyrie's overall impact instead of deceptive numbers that can be easily inflated on bad teams.

There's also a problem with the age/experience argument. Curry's made notable improvement each year he's been in the league. Kyrie hasn't. Kind of hard to reach Curry's level when you're spinning your wheels.
 
The Kyrie vs Curry argument always has been and always will be silly. Why Curry is suddenly the best point guard to compare guys to is beyond me. Why is Chris Paul taking such a beating lately?

Curry was made of glass when he entered the league, and only now, in his prime, is he gaining traction and notice. People equate never knowing much of the guy before now to him being a young player. He isn't. Curry is really fucking good. For a playoff series RIGHT NOW, as in tomorrow, I'd take Curry 10 times out of 10.

Kyrie, however, has an entirely different echelon of talent and potential than Curry does. To even have an argument between the two right now is an extreme testament to Kyrie's abilities. Irving is just scratching the surface of what he can be both as a basketball player and as an athlete. He's going to get stronger and more physical as he ages.

If you want to do a direct comparison with Irving, how about John Wall? The reason that's rarely brought up is because Irving is better and will only create more separation going forward.

Kyrie is a tremendous scorer - one of the best in the league. Kyrie's ability to get the ball in the hoop from the paint is rivaled by nobody other than Tony Parker (who is a god) at his position. That includes Curry, Paul, you name it.

Where Curry, and other older players with better supporting casts, surpasses Kyrie, is in terms of feel for the game of basketball. That will come in time with Kyrie, and playing with someone like LeBron only accelerates it. Curry understands when to defer, when to attack a play with the intention of getting someone else an easy basket, and when he needs to get or keep himself going. Kyrie lacks a great deal of that knowledge and feel that comes with experience, age, and maturity.

What Gour said that got this entire argument going is that Kyrie has the ability to be the best point guard in the world and has shown it in very small flashes. That is completely true. The way he played the 2nd half of the all-star game is the most recent and memorable of said flashes for me.

I'm not a fanboy of Irving. I was one of the first and loudest to beat what became the anti-Kyrie drum as the season went on. I'm a pretty harsh critic of him honestly, because I know how good he can be. Kyrie Irving should become a hall of famer. He could go down as one of the greatest point guards not named Magic ever. He's THAT talented.

Has he been a defensive sieve to this point? Yes! Did he show signs of improving at least a bit on that end? Yes!

Has Kyrie been too me-oriented, especially this past season? Yes! Can that be improved going forward? Yes!

What people don't realize with Kyrie is that he has the physical tools to be a very good defensive player. He's strong, quick, and big for his position. He's got insane reflexes as well.

Most overrated player in the league? Please.
 
The first two responses have been predictable so far. Box score averages -- which is practically the only measurement where Irving compares with Curry. Why not post a more comprehensive measurement that figures in both offense and defense? Let's see Kyrie's overall impact instead of deceptive numbers that can be easily inflated on bad teams.

There's also a problem with the age/experience argument. Curry's made notable improvement each year he's been in the league. Kyrie hasn't. Kind of hard to reach Curry's level when you're spinning your wheels.

It's also easier to have better looking stats as a premier player on a much better team. I'm not seeing where the hate is coming from? Our team has been pretty bad in all areas. Curry plays around a much better team at every position.
 
A note to all the b-hurt Kyrie fanboys:

Make an objective argument on why Kyrie Irving is equal to or better than Stephen Curry. That's all you need to do. No need to complain about my posts or point fingers. I'm actually very interested in seeing the perspective of a fan who honestly believes.

No one has said kyries better then steph. Your the one who said you wouldn't trade 5 kyrie irvings for one of steph curry. Which is a stupid, ridiculous and hilarious statement to make.
 
Why not post a more comprehensive measurement that figures in both offense and defense?

Because convincing you isn't worth the time of putting something together

Curry's made notable improvement each year he's been in the league. Kyrie hasn't.

Just the kind of silly argument I thought you'd respond with. Just as "predictable" as a box score average. The only knock you have on Kyrie is last year's stats, which I already made mention of.

I still can't get over the fact that you have Kyrie as your avatar and your calling him the most overrated player in the league. Rookie of the year, USA select team, two time all star, all-star game MVP, 3 point champion. Maybe your just a better judge of talent than Jerry Colangelo, all of the fans who voted him into the all star game 2 out of 3 years, and every other analyst that actually watches Cav games. SMH
 
Not to mention Currys numbers his first 3 years are inflated in Nellys run n gun offense. And you really want to criticize IRVING for playing one side of the ball? Lets not even get started on injury prone lmao...

Revisionist history is a bitch. Hilarious to considering one player is 22 and the other 26
 
Because convincing you isn't worth the time of putting something together



Just the kind of silly argument I thought you'd respond with. Just as "predictable" as a box score average. The only knock you have on Kyrie is last year's stats, which I already made mention of.

I still can't get over the fact that you have Kyrie as your avatar and your calling him the most overrated player in the league. Rookie of the year, USA select team, two time all star, all-star game MVP, 3 point champion. Maybe your just a better judge of talent than Jerry Colangelo, all of the fans who voted him into the all star game 2 out of 3 years, and every other analyst that actually watches Cav games. SMH

I think Kyries problem last year is that he tried to do too much and he didn't trust his teammates. Teams zeroed in on him and he struggled because of it. It's obviously a fault and he need improvement in that area but that's definitely not going to be a problem this year and I would be surprised to see him come close to the 40/50/90 club.
 
It's also easier to have better looking stats as a premier player on a much better team. I'm not seeing where the hate is coming from? Our team has been pretty bad in all areas. Curry plays around a much better team at every position.
Ok, you're arguing that stats are easier to attain on a much better team, but that argument is impractical when the player in question is that team's best player. That point is easily countered by the fact that Curry is his team's best player and the player leading his team to playoff berths, as opposed to Irving who leads his team to the lottery in the weak East. In fact, it could be argued that Irving isn't even his team's best player. That designation should go to Varejao.
 
Not to mention Currys numbers his first 3 years are inflated in Nellys run n gun offense. And you really want to criticize IRVING for playing one side of the ball? Lets not even get started on injury prone lmao...

Revisionist history is a bitch. Hilarious to considering one player is 22 and the other 26
Curry's numbers help his team win games; Irving's don't.
 
The first two responses have been predictable so far. Box score averages -- which is practically the only measurement where Irving compares with Curry. Why not post a more comprehensive measurement that figures in both offense and defense? Let's see Kyrie's overall impact instead of deceptive numbers that can be easily inflated on bad teams.

There's also a problem with the age/experience argument. Curry's made notable improvement each year he's been in the league. Kyrie hasn't. Kind of hard to reach Curry's level when you're spinning your wheels.

What numbers do you want then if you don't like the ones presented to you? I'm not going to do your work for you. If you want to back something up that a lot of people disagree with then actually prove it. Don't shit on other people for giving you numbers when you're too lazy to back up your own statements.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-15: "Cavs Survive and Advance"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:15: Cavs Survive and Advance
Top