Kyrie Irving

[Scholar]

I see Kyrie having a Steve Nash like career. His peak will be in 3-4 years, followed by another 3-4 years of good play, and then a steep decline once he hits 30 or so.

That isn't Steve Nash at all. I think you need to take an opportunity to check out his stats for the first half of his thirties. They were quite frankly his best years in the league. From age 30 to 35, he made the all star game 5 out of those 6 years. He shot over 50 percent from the field in all 6 years. He shot over 90 percent at the line in 4 out of the 6 years with .887 and .899 as near misses the other two years. He also lead the league in assists 4 out of those 6 years. Nash didn't really decline till the last half of his thirties.

 

[randymoss1881]

This is some sad shit now rose is blamed for kyrie getting hurt.
I'm blaming rose if I failed my test today.

 

[shoes22]

That isn't Steve Nash at all. I think you need to take an opportunity to check out his stats for the first half of his thirties. They were quite frankly his best years in the league. From age 30 to 35, he made the all star game 5 out of those 6 years. He shot over 50 percent from the field in all 6 years. He shot over 90 percent at the line in 4 out of the 6 years with .887 and .899 as near misses the other two years. He also lead the league in assists 4 out of those 6 years. Nash didn't really decline till the last half of his thirties.

Yeah it's a pretty bad comparison now that I think about it...
But Nash was also something of a late bloomer, what I meant to say is I think Kyrie will have a similar career trajectory as Nash's previous dozen or so years in the league.

 

[Rich]

I hope Kyrie doesnt play anymore. He got the benefit of practicing all summer with Team USA which will help his game. Playing in a meaningless tournament just meant to get FIBA rich isn't worth it when there is a title run about to begin.

These are some odd damn reactions on here right now. First of all, the really oddball hate for Derrick Rose. We are digging up Bulls fans posts to shit on Rose more. I don't get it. I don't understand what Rose has done that would cause so many to be pissed off at him.

Second of all, you could literally say this phrase about any sporting related event. In the grand scheme of things, it's all "meaningless" and all made to get people rich.

 

[Cavsengland]

This is some sad shit now rose is blamed for kyrie getting hurt.
I'm blaming rose if I failed my test today.

What tests are you having mate?

 

[czvo]

Am I wrong? Why is Rose the only athlete who is coming back from one of these injuries a total shell of himself? Why is he the only one who refused to come back for months after he was medically cleared? If it's not mental, then what is it that's keeping him from being able to play basketball when so many other players have come back from similar injuries? He looks like the guys from Space Jam who had their talent stolen right now.

You're not necessarily wrong, but that doesn't mean you're right. I'd say you're opinion could go either way at this point. One thing we do know, is that he's not the only athlete that's struggled to come back from a knee injury, let alone two in such a short period of time. To single him out as the ONLY athlete is an exaggeration.

As far as not playing after being cleared... I don't know what was going on with Derrick or the Bulls' doctors. None of us do. Obviously, he didn't feel like he was healthy enough to do the things he wanted to do, which is an altogether different benchmark than being medically cleared. And that's not even getting into the crap Bulls doctors have put some of those players through. Just ask Luol Deng his opinion of those guys...

Maybe part of it is mental, I honestly don't know (and neither does anyone else here). But to me, he looks like a guy that hasn't played high level competitive basketball in years... which he hasn't! Since April of 2012, Rose has played in TEN regular season games. Ten real basketball games in two and a half years. Why should we expect him to come back after 2.5 years, and two major knee injuries, and look like an All-Star? The answer is we shouldn't.

Really, what it boils down to is that the guy has always been one of the fiercest competitors in the league. I think it's fair to give him a little bit of time to work off 2.5 years of rust before we write him off as mentally weak.

 

[Simmy]

I think everyone's being a little too paranoid. Coming off the back of the Paul George injury and balancing that with the Derrick Rose blame seems a little disproportionate.

Nobody wants to see these players sacrifice a season for their NBA teams for the benefit of the FIBA World Cup. But these players really want to play out there (this is the only part I don't really get - they should just give the US gold and let them play intra squad scrimmages if they want to continue to "play with the best). They're passionately giving it their all.

Besides, if Kyrie can't handle a hard fall in the pool stages of an uncompetitive tournament, how's he expected to remain durable during the season? If anything, this consistent on court experience allows a more decent preparation to learning how to preserve the body avoid injuries.

We all care about our season in Cleveland, but we have to be a little less pedantic about his game time and experience out there. After all, whatever is going to happen is going to happen, preventative measures or not. And I'd rather it be now than in two months time.

 

[blazenmp]

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We all care about our season in Cleveland, but we have to be a little less pedantic about his game time and experience out there. After all, whatever is going to happen is going to happen, preventative measures or not. And I'd rather it be now than in two months time.

Main Entry: pe·dan·tic
Pronunciation: \pi-ˈdan-tik\
Function: adjective
Etymology:
Date: 1628
1 : of, relating to, or being a pedant 2 : narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned 3 : unimaginative, dull
— pe·dan·ti·cal·ly \-ˈdan-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

Did you mean 1, 2, or 3?

 

[Simmy]

Main Entry: pe·dan·tic
Pronunciation: \pi-ˈdan-tik\
Function: adjective
Etymology:
Date: 1628
1 : of, relating to, or being a pedant 2 : narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned 3 : unimaginative, dull
— pe·dan·ti·cal·ly \-ˈdan-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

Did you mean 1, 2, or 3?

Why are we playing grammar police?

 

[blazenmp]

Why are we playing grammar police?

Grammar, hell, I just didn't understand the word, let alone the context. That being said, now it seems I am being pedantic.

(had to edit the spelling... Because really really didn't know it)

 

[Snarly]

This thread just got creepy.

 

[Cavsfan161]

Just glad he's fine

 

[rome8180]

Who cares how many assists he averages? He doesn't have to average double-digit assists for us to win games.

Oh, I agree. It's just I've heard the "lack of talent" argument through his first three years to explain why he doesn't average more assists.

He's a scoring point guard. I don't really think passing is his strength. That's okay. Lebron and Love will accumulate a ton of assists as well.

 

[rome8180]

Are you watching the games or just going by statlines?

Context is everything. Kyrie has been great on Team USA. The games are shorter, he's splitting time with Rose, the team has a lot of new guys to the program, and Kyie is making good decisions and passes regardless of conversions and assists.

I've watched all the games. Harden has been the best distributor on the team.

 

[JSS2306]

Besides, if Kyrie can't handle a hard fall in the pool stages of an uncompetitive tournament, how's he expected to remain durable during the season? If anything, this consistent on court experience allows a more decent preparation to learning how to preserve the body avoid injuries.

So first everyone railroads anyone who thinks it's an awful idea that Kyrie is playing in FIBA due to injury concerns and now that an injury HAS occurred it's suppose to lead to less likely future injuries?