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Frank Reynolds said:
Fuck his baby. Let's talk about the ballplayer Kyrie Irving. You know, our 3rd all-star player, arguably our best offensive player....Who is set to return in the short future.

Obviously Steph Curry ascended to another level of greatness in his 7th season.

I'd like to compare where Steph was in year 5 to where Irving is now.

It's not like Kyrie Irving is lacking in any fundamental skill that Curry has.

Curry's shot will always be a little bit better than Kyrie, but Kyrie is no slouch shooter.

I'd argue that Kyrie's finishing ability at the basket is better than any player in the league, including Steph. Obviously Steph is no slouch at finishing.

I'm very curious to see where Kyrie is in his 7th season. He's shown all the signs of being an impossibly dominant guard in this league. He's got some of that juice that Steph has . The question is, when Kyrie hits year 7: is he an MVP candidate?

Here's some Kyrie Irving year 4 highlights to remind you what's forthcoming for our team. We might be 16-0 too if we had this cat. Don't forget that..... as the Warriors cock-sucking fest continues.

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I actually think Kyrie is a naturally better finisher and ballhandler than Curry is. Obviously you could argue that Curry is next in line behind him in both areas, but Kyrie is ahead nevertheless and will only continue to improve.

A lot of Curry's fantastic finishes and ballhandling exhibitions directly stem from his insane shooting ability because he forces defenders to be on their heels, and they have to constantly chase him off the three point line, which opens up the floor for him.

And this is where I believe Curry separates himself from Kyrie. I think some people underrate just how good of a shooter Curry is (far and away the best shooter this league has ever seen). He's currently putting up over 11 threes per game on a 43% 3P. Kyrie's best 3P shooting season is 41.5% from 3 on 5 attempts per game. And Curry is actually known for his tendency to heat up in the latter part of the season. Last year after the All Star Break, he shot just under 52% from 3 on nearly 8.5 attempts per game.

Furthermore, I don't think the mere attempts/percentages do Curry justice. You have to watch Warriors games to truly understand how much gravity he has as a shooter. He gets double-teamed constantly from behind the arc. And every time he draws 2 defenders after coming off of the screen, he whips a pass to Draymond Green who either pops a three or drives and throws a lob to Ezeli or Bogut/kicks out a pass to Barnes, Klay, or Iggy for a corner three.

In short, I believe Curry is currently a far better shooter than Kyrie, and this is why he's presently the far and away leading MVP candidate putting up one of the greatest seasons of all time while Kyrie is just an All Star. Even concerning defense, I think it's just a matter of effort with Kyrie rather than glaring physical limitations. Curry is definitely a better passer, too, but like I mentioned before, Kyrie has the edge in ballhandling and finishing ability. So in short, if Kyrie wants to ever reach Curry's level, I think he needs to significantly improve as a shooter, and go from a top 10 shooter in the league to a top 10 (at least) shooter of all time, which would be an extremely difficult task.
 
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Frank Reynolds said:
Fuck his baby. Let's talk about the ballplayer Kyrie Irving. You know, our 3rd all-star player, arguably our best offensive player....Who is set to return in the short future.

Obviously Steph Curry ascended to another level of greatness in his 7th season.

I'd like to compare where Steph was in year 5 to where Irving is now.

It's not like Kyrie Irving is lacking in any fundamental skill that Curry has.

Curry's shot will always be a little bit better than Kyrie, but Kyrie is no slouch shooter.

I'd argue that Kyrie's finishing ability at the basket is better than any player in the league, including Steph. Obviously Steph is no slouch at finishing.

I'm very curious to see where Kyrie is in his 7th season. He's shown all the signs of being an impossibly dominant guard in this league. He's got some of that juice that Steph has . The question is, when Kyrie hits year 7: is he an MVP candidate?

Here's some Kyrie Irving year 4 highlights to remind you what's forthcoming for our team. We might be 16-0 too if we had this cat. Don't forget that..... as the Warriors cock-sucking fest continues.

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watched these highlights and understood how bad I miss Kyrie game
 
I just watched some of the Kyrie highlights and some Steph highlights as well, and I still stick to what I've said ... for Kyrie the difference between him and Steph is primarily mental.

They both get the same thing done, but when Steph does it, it looks easy ... and when Kyrie does it, it looks hard. Easy is a lot more reproducible. Whether Steph slams the brakes a step before the opposing C and knocks down a short jumper or Kyrie drives past him to heave up a crazy layup ... the result is still 2 points.

When Kyrie eliminates doing things the hard way because he starts seeing the easy way, his efficiency will explode much like Steph's has, and his teammates will stay more engaged to boot - because often the "easy way" is to pass.
 
Jon said:
I just watched some of the Kyrie highlights and some Steph highlights as well, and I still stick to what I've said ... for Kyrie the difference between him and Steph is primarily mental.

They both get the same thing done, but when Steph does it, it looks easy ... and when Kyrie does it, it looks hard. Easy is a lot more reproducible. Whether Steph slams the brakes a step before the opposing C and knocks down a short jumper or Kyrie drives past him to heave up a crazy layup ... the result is still 2 points.

When Kyrie eliminates doing things the hard way because he starts seeing the easy way, his efficiency will explode much like Steph's has, and his teammates will stay more engaged to boot - because often the "easy way" is to pass.
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100% truth, Kyrie is an offensive genius, playing simple and making the extra pass is really all he needs to do, taking a simpler approach to the game would probably alleviate some of these injury problems.
 
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Jon said:
I just watched some of the Kyrie highlights and some Steph highlights as well, and I still stick to what I've said ... for Kyrie the difference between him and Steph is primarily mental.

They both get the same thing done, but when Steph does it, it looks easy ... and when Kyrie does it, it looks hard. Easy is a lot more reproducible. Whether Steph slams the brakes a step before the opposing C and knocks down a short jumper or Kyrie drives past him to heave up a crazy layup ... the result is still 2 points.

When Kyrie eliminates doing things the hard way because he starts seeing the easy way, his efficiency will explode much like Steph's has, and his teammates will stay more engaged to boot - because often the "easy way" is to pass.
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roozy said:
100% truth, Kyrie is an offensive genius, playing simple and making the extra pass is really all he needs to do, taking a simpler approach to the game would probably alleviate some of these injury problems.
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That is a great take Jon.

At least we understand how good Kyrie's scoring instinct is. He can hit from damn near any angle on the court. His jumper, handle, and finishing ability show just what a prodigal feel Kyrie possesses.

Feel is not akin to a skill that fades like athleticism. Feel is a virtue that many players don't possess, let alone in spades like Irving. His maturation as a player will be in his wisdom of how he uses his gifts to preserve his body yet still maintain if not exceed his scoring efficiency. Kyrie came into this wanting "to get buckets" and he damn sure did.

This is a chess match too, it's a thinking man's game. You have to manage your resources and when he learns how to capitalize and gain those little edges..... look out. We are very lucky to have this dude.
 
cavsfever said:
Also, this is the selfish fan in me, but seems like it could be a huge distraction this season. First couple of months of a kid are hard. I assume he'll just write the mother a giant check and live someplace where the kid isn't waking him up every two hours?
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:whogives: (in a nice way)

FYI Curry had a kid in July.

32ppg, 6apg, 5rpg, 51%, 43%, 93%

Kyrie will be just fine...
 
Jon said:
Kyrie slumped after his rookie season because defenses adjusted and he did not. It's a lot harder for defenses to focus on him now, but at crucial moments they will, and that's when his decision making had better be solid.

Steph doesn't drive in to 3 guys and force up a shot just to "get buckets". Great players and teams have a response for each situation thrown at them. It's a huge difference between a star and a superstar.

And for a player who's not a pure PG consider that Steph dished out 10+ assists last season on 24 different occasions. Kyrie has done so 21 times ...



... in his career!

Fortunately, Kyrie has shown some improvement in his decision making, play making, and defense. It just all needs to continue.
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Yeah, everyone on the court needs to be a playmaker. Court vision helps at every position. Curry has good enough passing skills to can slice up a team that tries to double him or focus exclusively on him.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Go away.
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I don't understand anyone who thinks Steph is the best player in the league. Did you watch the Finals? Do you think the Cavs would have even come close to winning a game if you put Steph on the Cavs and LeBron on the Warriors? He's a great player...future Hall of Famer...but if I have to pick one to have come June I'm going LeBron without much thought. Don't buy the forced media narrative that he has passed Bron.

On second thought, let's push that #hottake as much as possible so we ensure a pissed-off, motivated Bron in the Playoffs.
 
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