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The Cavs have "The Best Player On The Planet" and they still look like the same old crap we saw after 2010. This is unacceptable. I doubt a coaching change or personnel change will fix this. The chickens have come home to roost... again.

Everything you said about tonights game was spot on. No silver lining from tonight.

But the statement you make in the quotes doesn't compute.

Have any of the past 10 games featured the best player on the planet?

This team deserves a tongue lashing for where it is today.

But doomsday prognostications for the whole season and beyond completely miss the point that LeBron has been out and is set to return, and we've added in 3 new guys who need to more than 2 games to understand what to do.

Again, everyone should be angry about the way that the team on the floor performed tonight and how they have been performing.

But that is all not our full team so perhaps giving them even a measly ten games at full strength before declaring the whole thing a lost cause is beyond premature.

Unless of course you're one of the tinfoil types who thing LeBron was sitting out in "protest" or as a "secret suspension".
 
No heart is hard to forgive. This looks like a very soft and mentally fragile team. The wing defense/perimeter defense his nonexistent. Like I said Mozgov can't cover for everyone.
 
No heart is hard to forgive.
Totally agree

This looks like a very soft and mentally fragile team.

Agree, without LeBron enforcing his will on the game this is a team that has a glass jaw. They just can't take a punch. In the early season this happened some as well too. I just hope that was either because LeBron was being a little more passive in some games due to the injuries and/or trying to give Kyrie and Love space to do their thing. Those have the talent of Wade and Boash, but not yet the heart and leadership, so when LeBron gets back, he needs to be in control every second he's on the court and make sure people are following his lead.

The wing defense/perimeter defense his nonexistent. Like I said Mozgov can't cover for everyone.

Hopefully Shumpert, LeBron, and Marion remedy this. There's reason to believe they can and will, but will it be enough?
 
Totally agree



Agree, without LeBron enforcing his will on the game this is a team that has a glass jaw. They just can't take a punch. In the early season this happened some as well too. I just hope that was either because LeBron was being a little more passive in some games due to the injuries and/or trying to give Kyrie and Love space to do their thing. Those have the talent of Wade and Boash, but not yet the heart and leadership, so when LeBron gets back, he needs to be in control every second he's on the court and make sure people are following his lead.



Hopefully Shumpert, LeBron, and Marion remedy this. There's reason to believe they can and will, but will it be enough?

Right now this team is ok with losing. The lack of fight demonstrates that.

You'll never win shit if you're ok with losing.
 
The sad part about all this is that we went all out to get LBJ and then, desperate to win NOW, we through out all thought of how you build a TEAM. Currently the parts that we have do not make a team, in fact, the sum of the parts is less than the worth of the individual pieces.

LBJ will change many things but he has a lot of miles on the clock and his minutes must come down or he will regularly be injured. Even the best player in the universe will get old
Love: gets a lot of rebounds because he is not guarding his guy. He drifts to the basketball and, of course, is there to get the rebound...I would prefer he was putting more pressure on the shooter...like put your arms up, get in their faces, stand your ground.
Kyrie: will NEVER be a PG while his you know what points to the ground. A PG is the coach on the court...Kyrie is selfish and has very little BBIQ...and I suspect that he does not have a lot of respect in the locker room.
JR...too early to tell...but if I was a betting man, a bust
Having to pay these three so much money meant that we had chump change left to fill the rest of the roster...so we have kids; and past it vets (Shumpter and Mossie the exceptions)
This is not how to build a team.
The real problem is that if we do not win a CHMP this year or next, we are going to have some real issues going forward...it could take 10 years to un-do what has been done. And if we do win it all next year we are not building a dynasty...

And worse if Love leaves after this year (50/50 at moment)...but worse only in that it cost us Wiggins...( there I said the W word)

I cannot believe the number of high draft picks that we have had in the last 5 years and we have so little to show for it...imagine Pop getting that many picks...firstly, most of them would still be here because he would make good decisions to start with and, having selected them they would be put into the system and be schooled in their role and the what is expected from them

We make crap decisions; bring them into our dysfunctional mess; and can them when they can't work miracles ( or get drafted before they can show what they do...W...)

Other teams tank and go to the bottom to rebuild( watch the 76ers next year and Knicks the year after)...we just go there and wallow

It is frustrating as hell that after all the missteps and the amount of money spent, that the only real solution is even more wholesale changes and more pain

And to top it all off we have a player who things that he is so important that he is both GM and coach...

It is a mess...
 
The sad part about all this is that we went all out to get LBJ and then, desperate to win NOW, we through out all thought of how you build a TEAM. Currently the parts that we have do not make a team, in fact, the sum of the parts is less than the worth of the individual pieces.

LBJ will change many things but he has a lot of miles on the clock and his minutes must come down or he will regularly be injured. Even the best player in the universe will get old
Love: gets a lot of rebounds because he is not guarding his guy. He drifts to the basketball and, of course, is there to get the rebound...I would prefer he was putting more pressure on the shooter...like put your arms up, get in their faces, stand your ground.
Kyrie: will NEVER be a PG while his you know what points to the ground. A PG is the coach on the court...Kyrie is selfish and has very little BBIQ...and I suspect that he does not have a lot of respect in the locker room.
JR...too early to tell...but if I was a betting man, a bust
Having to pay these three so much money meant that we had chump change left to fill the rest of the roster...so we have kids; and past it vets (Shumpter and Mossie the exceptions)
This is not how to build a team.
The real problem is that if we do not win a CHMP this year or next, we are going to have some real issues going forward...it could take 10 years to un-do what has been done. And if we do win it all next year we are not building a dynasty...

And worse if Love leaves after this year (50/50 at moment)...but worse only in that it cost us Wiggins...( there I said the W word)

I cannot believe the number of high draft picks that we have had in the last 5 years and we have so little to show for it...imagine Pop getting that many picks...firstly, most of them would still be here because he would make good decisions to start with and, having selected them they would be put into the system and be schooled in their role and the what is expected from them

We make crap decisions; bring them into our dysfunctional mess; and can them when they can't work miracles ( or get drafted before they can show what they do...W...)

Other teams tank and go to the bottom to rebuild( watch the 76ers next year and Knicks the year after)...we just go there and wallow

It is frustrating as hell that after all the missteps and the amount of money spent, that the only real solution is even more wholesale changes and more pain

And to top it all off we have a player who things that he is so important that he is both GM and coach...

It is a mess...

It is a mess because LeBron James is out of action, which happens to be our only floor general/point guard. Don't get me wrong but we were 2 games back of Chicago before his hiatus.

We have been god awful downright putrid, but you have to believe LeBron gets out of chill mode and enters MVP mode. You have too because why? Well the man said it himself, "a LeBron James basketball team is never desperate".

And I really believe that, behind closed doors LeBron getting into these guys. They will turn it around but theyll only go as far as LeBron takes them.
 
Anyone else picturing Blatt doing his best Danny Glover impression from Angels in the outfield?
 
It is a mess because LeBron James is out of action, which happens to be our only floor general/point guard. Don't get me wrong but we were 2 games back of Chicago before his hiatus.

We have been god awful downright putrid, but you have to believe LeBron gets out of chill mode and enters MVP mode. You have too because why? Well the man said it himself, "a LeBron James basketball team is never desperate".

And I really believe that, behind closed doors LeBron getting into these guys. They will turn it around but theyll only go as far as LeBron takes them.

My point is that it is a mess from a wholistic perspective, not a current poor playing performance perspective. My point is that in some ways LBJ IS the problem in that we have turned ourselves inside out and made some decisions that are not in the long term interest of the Cavs to appease him and win a championship at all costs and within the next 2-3 years. Yes he comes back soon and we will win more games, but we will not go all the way this year. Because of the three max players ( and Varejao's big contract) we are dependent next year on low wage players stepping up and playing major roles for us; and the big three staying healthy all year (unlikely for both Kyrie and Lebron).

If we do not win in the next couple of years we will hit 2017 without LBJ (or a much older; more injury prone and beyond prime player), maybe without Love, without Varejao; without a championship...and who are we going to attract to the place with that scenario...
 
We pay money to watch you for every sports fan has a choice. As i die hard sports fan I say this with respect. PLEASE START GIVING A FUCK ABOUT OUR TEAM! I mean this is like everyone is just like cool okay. I know this is city has some dark shit over it but some one has to finally face it. LeBron this is from me to you. You have this power so go break this POS curse we had so long. Just end our suffering... That is all. Thanks "signed a man who used to take things for granted" Yours truly, Snarly.
 
Someone please tell Delly he has no right to wear an arm sleeve with the way he plays.
 
Everything you said about tonights game was spot on. No silver lining from tonight.

But the statement you make in the quotes doesn't compute.

Have any of the past 10 games featured the best player on the planet?

No, but it is because of him that we have roster spots filled not turning out anything on the stat sheet (Jones, Miller, etc). We could have gone after someone like Ed Davis before the Lakers picked him up. NOT traded Wiggins. Someone to chase around the other team's best athlete better than Mike Miller can do. These guys don't hit their open shots, or play consistent defense. And there's Kevin Love, an All-Star, a much coveted free agent, who has made the Cavs look silly with his lack of defense (a known entity). Kyrie was already here. Having two mostly one-way players on the starting squad puts you at a real disadvantage.

I think where the "LeBron Blame Game" shows up is not on the court, but in the way he holds the team hostage: influencing personnel moves, and the like. We know that "Chill Mode" isn't a norm, though it's an annoyance. But more than that is the other stuff having LeBron on your team entails. Miami wouldn't let him do that at all. I think that, his current playing health, and the chance of making a "good story", among other personal reasons, influenced his decision to return. There are times where, despite his on-court brilliance, he needs to get veto-ed. He won't get that here, because Dan Gilbert has now been converted to a "yes man".

This is my response to all those who are like "who were the Cavs before LeBron", "he brought your team to the Finals", etc. Basically the newbie-ass LeBronies who appeared after 2003 or so. I know who the Cavs were. If Michael Jordan's Bulls didn't exist, they would have been an NBA Finals team in the '90s. They had turned into a crap show in the years leading up to LeBron, so I guess the answer is "The Knicks". I'm OK with the Knicks if it means one player doesn't determine your whole destiny to this degree. The Bulls have found life after Jordan. Other teams that never really "were" are putting out better teams today than the Cavs do, with less ballyhooed players. Not to long ago, Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks went to a 2-seed in the East with a first-time NBA coach. And we know what kind of players were on that team; two of them are now current Cavs.

The LeBron Factor is similar to the "Kobe Factor" with the current Lakers. Only, at least you could say, Kobe kept the lights on when others (Shaq, etc) were gone, and the front office made smarter decisions bringing complementary players to get them titles. I doubt he gets nearly the kind of criticism Kobe does, because LeBron will never have that comically self-indulgent shooting habit that Kobe does.
 
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It's obvious that LeBron is the straw that stirs the drink. Kyrie and Love both still do not know how to lead a team and more important, how to absorb a blow and push back. This team, especially w out LeBron, just crumbles when a team makes a run on them. Thats when the effort stops and the body language gets poor.

Thats the only thing that matters to me from all your comment..No one has the mentality to get angry and play with some freaking emotion.
They don't get angry , they don't show any spunk or fire at all..I've never seen a team that will get up by 20pts then freeze.
Love/Irving/Thompson do not have that fire..and I certainly know TT can be upgraded..
Defense is attitude, pride on stopping your man and wanting to disrupt what he does.
The Cavs say go ahead shoot your favorite shot, take me to the hole, dunk on me , spin on me, embarrass me, I don't care.
 
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Can't wait to see how Propaganda Man Sammy The Bullshit Whisperer handles all this. All summer and ever since Griffin took over the Cavs have controlled much of the media like the Politburo in the old Soviet Union. All we heard was how great Griffin was, how terrible Grant and MB were, and then how much we needed to trade for Kevin Love, to the point of near character/talent assassination of Wiggins. Seriously did we hear any dissenting opinions in Cleveland media? Any sign of dissent was shut down and ridiculed, whether it be by The Bullshit Whisperer or other radio hosts like the clowns on 92.3...I can't believe Love has been as much of a disaster as he has been. People defend the trade by saying Wiggins is on a bad team, etc, but what are we? Were those 25 points last night not the most empty stats?

I'm frustrated. I want us to win. But this organization/media apparatus has major shortfalls which make us the national joke that we are right now. Heck maybe Blatt really meant something when he proclaimed that Wiggins wasn't going anywhere. Maybe he was strongarmed into this trade, because you know what, he had a lot of fun at summer league.
 
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This team makes Charmin look like cinder blocks.

They're physically soft, and they're mentally soft.

They play like they're shocked - shocked! that anyone else can compete with them. "But we've got the Big 3!!" Like the trophy is already won.

You've got a superstar that doesn't respect the coach, GM or the owner - and the rest of the team is following his lead.

Dude finally get the chance he's been bitching for his entire career, to be the sole leader of a true title contender, and this is how he reacts?

Fuck "time to jell", fuck "incomplete roster", fuck every enabling excuse I've read on these boards for the past six months. Until I see a team that wants to put the work in required to get the glory, I'm out. I'm tired of watching a bunch of people stealing Dan Gilbert's money and my time night after night.
 
I'm tired of watching a bunch of people stealing Dan Gilbert's money and my time night after night.

Dan Gilbert stealing the fans' money, you mean. Gilbert did this to himself. Cashed in assets like they were going out of style.

We had the assets to build a competitive team for over a decade. Now we might be starting the rebuild all over again this time next year because of the impatience and bad negotiating skills of our owner/LeBron/Griffin.
 

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