Likely use of Haywood contract?

[westsidebob]

I'd expect Hayward to turn into two players in a Shumpert/Smith type combo.

Get one quality player but have to take back one problem child.

 

[EdMonix11]

Why would a team give us their versions of the same contract plus picks for our version? Makes no sense.

Who said anything about the same contract? The Cavs traded Felix, $1 Million and a 2nd round pick in July for Erik Murphy, John Lucas and Malcolm Thomas. I could see us backloading our roster similarly with non-guaranteed guys so we can include them in future trades as opposed to taking what's out there in the off-season, which typically isn't much. I don't know of anyone with a similar contract structure like Haywood's so that thought never entered my mind.....

 

[Birdy89]

No matter what happens the rest of the way at this point this playoff run has added tens of millions in extra payroll going forward because of how well Shump, JR, Delly, and TT have played.

Delly has probably seen his value triple, Shump is going to be a $10 million a year guy now, Smith probably will opt out for a long term deal (to stay here) and TT is going to get $15 million for sure.

Factoring in luxury tax penalties on that extra money and this has become a fun and very expensive ride.

They will do something with the Haywood contract, but it won't be anything big because things have changed in that the role players have proven to be worth keeping around and it will now be far more expensive to do so than anyone probably had planned on.

Dan has deep pockets, but we may break the payroll record next year and once you get to that point the incremental cost of every dollar of salary you add becomes that much more expensive.

Not needing to add a huge piece is a good problem to have I guess.

 

[DawgPoundMBA]

The Cavs won't hit the repeater penalty for a few more years so we are good there. I like the Frye and Gallinari options but I dont see Gallinari being let go. Also, with the ability to get a $13,153,125 (10,522,500*1.25) player, I see us making a move for a top 8 rotational player. Haywood is gone either way. Jones and Miller look like they wont have much more to give. I think we will have the midlevel left for next year and Brewer and/or Smith would be targets. Or sign and trade with Houston for those guys and get a trade exception back that we can use in another deal.

MO WILLIAMS FOR NBA MINIMUM ?!?@??!??

 

[kovanovich]

If the Cavs do retain all of their own players AND use the Haywood chip, we are talking about a team salary well over $110M, maybe approaching $120M. By comparison, Brooklyn's is highest this year at $88M.

I thought we had a thread devoted to 2015 and beyond planning and strategy, but this is the best thread I can find.

Jacob Rosen at WFNY recently posted an interesting article on this topic:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2...liers-and-future-salaries-wfny-faqs/#comments

It's interesting not least because he provides a CBA tax calculation tool (which I didn't try, but I assume it works). Rosen's estimate for the Cavs' team salary in 2015-16 is $109M.

We can question some of his assumptions, as many of the comments to the post graciously do, but I think the $109M estimate, which basically brings the current team back, is a good ballpark figure. Per Rosen's tax calculator, a prospective $109M team salary would mean a tax bill of some $77M.

The $109M figure does not include utilizing the Haywood contract. It doesn't include using the taxpayers MLE. In fact, it provides for only a 12 man roster. Every team needs to carry at least 13 players, and I would be very surprised if the Cavs don't carry at least 14.

In other words, we will need to increase the $109M figure a bit more, even if the Cavs fill out their roster with minimum salary players.

In view of this huge tax bill, Rosen suspects the Haywood chip won't be used, again, assuming pretty much the entire team is back. A commenter makes a good point, which I may have also seen in RCF, that in this scenario the Cavs could trade Haywood and a minor asset (likely the Portland 2nd round pick which Griffin ably acquired in the Mozgov deal with Denver) to a team with capspace, generating a $10M+ TPE for the Cavs. That team would immediately release Haywood, but would have the #53 pick in this draft for their trouble. That sort of deal would ideally be worked out before the draft, but couldn't be executed till July.

It would be a way to preserve some of the value of the Haywood contract through July 2016, providing the Cavs with a tool to add salary that they wouldn't otherwise have at their disposal.

 

[Lee]

I thought we had a thread devoted to 2015 and beyond planning and strategy, but this is the best thread I can find.

Jacob Rosen at WFNY recently posted an interesting article on this topic:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2...liers-and-future-salaries-wfny-faqs/#comments

It's interesting not least because he provides a CBA tax calculation tool (which I didn't try, but I assume it works). Rosen's estimate for the Cavs' team salary in 2015-16 is $109M.

We can question some of his assumptions, as many of the comments to the post graciously do, but I think the $109M estimate, which basically brings the current team back, is a good ballpark figure. Per Rosen's tax calculator, a prospective $109M team salary would mean a tax bill of some $77M.

The $109M figure does not include utilizing the Haywood contract. It doesn't include using the taxpayers MLE. In fact, it provides for only a 12 man roster. Every team needs to carry at least 13 players, and I would be very surprised if the Cavs don't carry at least 14.

In other words, we will need to increase the $109M figure a bit more, even if the Cavs fill out their roster with minimum salary players.

In view of this huge tax bill, Rosen suspects the Haywood chip won't be used, again, assuming pretty much the entire team is back. A commenter makes a good point, which I may have also seen in RCF, that in this scenario the Cavs could trade Haywood and a minor asset (likely the Portland 2nd round pick which Griffin ably acquired in the Mozgov deal with Denver) to a team with capspace, generating a $10M+ TPE for the Cavs. That team would immediately release Haywood, but would have the #53 pick in this draft for their trouble. That sort of deal would ideally be worked out before the draft, but couldn't be executed till July.

It would be a way to preserve some of the value of the Haywood contract through July 2016, providing the Cavs with a tool to add salary that they wouldn't otherwise have at their disposal.

This is why if we keep our top 8, which I think we do, this is why I see us not using unless we do something like a "Bogans" Exception, which I suspect we might to hedge for another 12 months against injury.

80 mill is allot to pay in tax, but once the cap goes up to 90 mill or so, the tax hit is only 20 mill or so. This is also why I see us paying it for the one year, lock everyone up before the big cap increase and create the dynasty.

 

[Bonnern]

Is it possible we could use this contract on Andre Iguodola, like one poster on here mentioned? He is still very good and is on a big contract. He has shown he can thrive in a bench role. GSW will have to pay Green and Barnes big dollars these next two years so they may want to ship Iggy away to make space for the two of them. Throw in a second round pick, too. Even though it's unlikely with the salary cap soaring up, it's intriguing to say the least.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I'd rather just bring back the team we already have rather use the Haywood contract to replace something we lose.

That being said, assuming we retain everyone, I'd like to use the contract to take on money and gain a draft pick or young/potential laden player. Our roster is good enough to compete for and NBA titles as is for a good 3-4 year stretch. Acquisitions now should be focused on younger talent that we can eventually retain for cheap and use to fill any holes created by age or injury a few years down the road.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I think the TPE is the best option, We punt on the asset and get a larger window to monitor the health of the roster. Given tax considerations, I'm not sure how we can realistically add even more salary though.

The cap obviously will rise but we're already going to be at a crazy number. Throwing another 10 million on top of that would be just a bonfire of cash. It could push us in to a tax bill of 100 million, which by any measure, just cannot be justified IMO.

The unfortunate hard truth about our roster is, to open up even a sliver of flexibility, we need to move Anderson. I love the guy but with the emergence of TT and the trade for Moz, he's the most expendable piece we have. If we don't want to move AV on the grounds of player loyalty, then we are pretty much locked in to our current roster.

If there's ever a year to pull something our of our ass in the draft, it would be this one. Somehow landing a contributing piece on a dirt cheap contract is the type of found money we really need as our finances are completely tapped out.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Hmmm pay 80 mil in tax (pre new cba)...or let go of the best team on the planet and potentially piss off the best player on the planet.

Gilbert will pay guys.