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Manny & Papi failed 03 drug tests

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Shocked, when I said 3 years ago 75% of baseball was taking steroids, never thought it would be Manny and Pappi. Their bodies seemed so natural looking in build. :rolleyes:
 
Ban their ass for life if they use. Simple solution
 
Nice to know we were cheated out of a World Series in 07. Good Grief.
 
Spectre said:
Is anyone else totally unphased by this stuff anymore like I am? They were all cheaters.

The only difference between the clean player and the steroid user is that the clean player hasn't been caught yet.
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I disagree that there are/were no clean players in the game. It is a matter of personal integrity - a decision every athlete has to make eventually - no matter the sport. I am sure that there were many that did not use, even in the peak years of roid abuse.

That list is really telling (if accurate). It explains a lot of anomalies in baseball over the last 10 years or so.

For all of the tainted records, I believe that it is too late to start placing asterisks in the record books, like Hank Aaron recently suggested. The problem is this: what about all the guys (pitchers especially) that were using that never got caught? We'll never know how many were using in the late '80's and throughout the '90's. And we'll never know which records are tainted.

The only way to clean it up is to do two things:

1) Keep good testing policies in place like we apparently have today - and keep up with technology. Make the penalties more severe. First time caught, two year suspension. Next time, five years. Third time, life. Or maybe even more severe than that. Why not life suspension on first time? You don't get a second chance if you bet on games.

2) Don't allow anyone into the HOF who was caught using through MLB testing, or through outside court/congressional procedings. Since none of the major cheaters have yet to come up for induction, there is still time to implement this policy. It would be unfair to elect any known roid beast to the HOF, when guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe will likely never get in for things like betting and game fixing.

Sadly, it is obvious that MLB knew a lot more about this than they are letting on. Therefore, they have to live with the consequences, and we, as fans, do too. Therefore, the record books will be tainted. This is sad. When I was growing up, there was no bigger record in all of sports than Ruth's 714 home runs. When Aaron broke it, it was a major event. Now it is a joke. It will probably stay that way until someone clean (like Albert Pujols) breaks the record.

By the way, I'm happy not to see Ken Griffey Jr.'s name on that list. Always liked that guy. His numbers are even more amazing considering that he did it clean, against pitchers who probably weren't clean.
 
One thing I'd like to add - The Donaghy scandal rocks the NBA, and Stern addresses it. Player conduct rocks the NFL, Goodell gets tough. Steroids rock MLB to it's very core...AND SELIG SITS ON HIS ASS!!!!! It's been almost a decade since the steroid scandal broke, and people still don't how baseball views it, or how widespread the problem was.

Between that and the inability to provide a level playing field for all teams, Bud Selig may be the the most incompetent sports commissioner of all time.
 
...........& the sky is blue.


People need to move on.
 
This just in, Boston sports are cheeters....

David Ortiz a cheeter? Say it ain't so..
 
Griffey getting busted for juicing would probably be the only player that would really make me sad. I feel like I've loosely followed him nearly my whole entire life. For a time there, he was the best alive. If he doesn't have all those nagging injuries, he'd nearly be at 700 homers by now.
 
I am literally in tears because i am reading a Yankees forum & they are calling the Sox's cheaters.
 
James said:
Dont worry, you guys would have found a way to lose it.
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I forgot how much I hate this guy. :chuckles:


But he does tell the truth.
 
James said:
They are baseball players, not MENSA members.
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hearing that 104 people failed an optional test is like hearing about the kid who scored lower on the SAT than the amount of points they give you for writing your name correctly
 
at the end of the day, here's all that matters....

even if these names get released, we won't have to hear anybody say "Cleveland's title is tainted!"
 
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