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Re: Marreese Speights for the Rest of the Season
I definitely think you are right about the player option. Not seen this discussed anywhere, but seems to me a GM who gives a player option is doing so out of weakness. I think Grant is savvy enough to know that Speights isn't such a unique player that he needs to make such a concession.
That said, I just don't see Speights accepting the sort of offer you are describing. I can't imagine he won't get paid at least what he is making now and for a minimum of 3 years guaranteed. But maybe the fact that somewhat comparable players like Hickson and Blair (not to mention Josh Smith, the Utah bigs, and others) will all be hitting the market will reduce his bargaining position. I suspect these sorts of market considerations went into the Cavs' thinking.
The Bullshit Whisperer claimed a couple of days ago that the Cavs had one or more offers on the table for Speights that included a late first round pick, but of course any deal would also have included salary coming back (since the team making the trade would almost certainly have been over the cap). And is it worth getting a pick in the 20s along with a ~$5M/yr (or more) salary on an overpaid player who probably doesn't fit the team and is likely on contract through 2014-15? I'd say most on RCF would say no.
I do think the Cavs genuinely like Speights, based in part on Grant's post deadline comments. I also think the Cavs need a big like Speights on the roster next year to compete for a playoff spot, and despite his shortcomings he does actually pair reasonably well with either Thompson or Zeller.
This administration doesn't seem to be the kind of businessmen that I like to give out player options. They also seem to have a policy of no free agent contracts with guaranteed $$$ after June 2014.
If Speights opts out this summer, I'd expect we'd see a two or three year deal with only one guaranteed year. I don't see the Cavs offering more than $4.5 Mil a year.
Who knows? He might not even opt out.
I definitely think you are right about the player option. Not seen this discussed anywhere, but seems to me a GM who gives a player option is doing so out of weakness. I think Grant is savvy enough to know that Speights isn't such a unique player that he needs to make such a concession.
That said, I just don't see Speights accepting the sort of offer you are describing. I can't imagine he won't get paid at least what he is making now and for a minimum of 3 years guaranteed. But maybe the fact that somewhat comparable players like Hickson and Blair (not to mention Josh Smith, the Utah bigs, and others) will all be hitting the market will reduce his bargaining position. I suspect these sorts of market considerations went into the Cavs' thinking.
I'm not sure I'd say that he "got called on the bluff".
Here is what I think happened.
I'd say that Grants team worked the numbers for a dozen different possibilities for where they see Speights in the next 2 years, decided what was the minimum value they needed to make a deal and the maximum amount of salary they were willing to take back to make the deal work. It seems plausible that all of the trades that brought back a draft pick also involved the Cavs taking back worse contracts than Luke Walton. It also looks like the front office didn't want to deal Speights just to deal Speights, so it wasn't worth backing off their positions to accept total crap. Since they couldn't find the right combination today, they decided rolling the dice with deals next summer was the best choice.
I don't think that Oden has a big affect on the Speights situation right now. Oden's a cheap lottery ticket right now, not a real talent asset.
The Bullshit Whisperer claimed a couple of days ago that the Cavs had one or more offers on the table for Speights that included a late first round pick, but of course any deal would also have included salary coming back (since the team making the trade would almost certainly have been over the cap). And is it worth getting a pick in the 20s along with a ~$5M/yr (or more) salary on an overpaid player who probably doesn't fit the team and is likely on contract through 2014-15? I'd say most on RCF would say no.
I do think the Cavs genuinely like Speights, based in part on Grant's post deadline comments. I also think the Cavs need a big like Speights on the roster next year to compete for a playoff spot, and despite his shortcomings he does actually pair reasonably well with either Thompson or Zeller.