Matthew Dellavedova

[Douglar]

I like Delly a lot playing 10-15 minutes a game right now.

The problem is what happens if Kyrie misses games and Delly has to start playing 30 minutes a game again? I could see why the Cavs would like to have a deal on speed dial.

But then there's problems if the Cavs do pickup a backup PG, because the coach isn't going to bench Delly, so where would this new pickup get his minutes?

Personally, I still think you try and get a good big or a draft pick because there's just about as good a chance that the Cavs need to rest Love as much as Kyrie.

Edit *** Looks like Keys answered my question before I asked it **

 

[Randolphkeys]

Edit *** Looks like Keys answered my question before I asked it **

I was biting my tongue when Delly was shooting about 20% from 2 pt%, but he deserves those 10-15 minutes a game. Even when he went cold shooting, his three point spacing and passing were an asset offensively. I don't know what Mike Miller has left in the tank, and Marion needs to be fresh for backup power forward minutes in the playoffs.

 

[Lee]

When you're Lee making two hundo on a bad year it's not a lot of money. But for the rest of us it's a lot.

I knew that was coming, but 800k to me is a ton.

I will type slowly so you understand. 800k is 4 times 200k.

 

[Lee]

I like Delly a lot playing 10-15 minutes a game right now.

The problem is what happens if Kyrie misses games and Delly has to start playing 30 minutes a game again? I could see why the Cavs would like to have a deal on speed dial.

But then there's problems if the Cavs do pickup a backup PG, because the coach isn't going to bench Delly, so where would this new pickup get his minutes?

Personally, I still think you try and get a good big or a draft pick because there's just about as good a chance that the Cavs need to rest Love as much as Kyrie.

Edit *** Looks like Keys answered my question before I asked it **

We never had the option of Shumpert to replace Kyrie as the starting combo guard. To me back up center is our biggest position of need.

What gets ugly is when Kyrie and Lebron out the same game, but i dont think any trade for a 2-3 mill a year player cures that issue.

 

[NasstyNate]

Um... reposted for emphasis.

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I had to look it up. I didn't believe it. A full percentage and a half above Kyrie too. And that's on 2.5 taken per game. That's not nothin'.

He is open (4-6 feet) 20% of the time and wide open (6+ feet) 32% of the time he takes a 3. Compare that to Kyrie with 12% and 7.5%, respectively. I know you are not making any further claims - just providing some context.

Delly is a perfect regular season backup. He's the kind of guy that is more heart than talent and wins his matchup on pure hustle. That wins games during the regular season grind where players don't necessarily give their all every game. The starters can get up big and then Delly can demoralize his guy by getting in their face and generally outplaying them.

Playoffs are another story. I don't see him as a 10+ minute guy on a championship team where every possession is a battle and every player is schemed against. I will enjoy him as the little Andy that he is now but hope to god I don't see him in the playoffs.

 

[Randolphkeys]

He is open (4-6 feet) 20% of the time and wide open (6+ feet) 32% of the time he takes a 3. Compare that to Kyrie with 12% and 7.5%, respectively. I know you are not making any further claims - just providing some context.

I certainly wouldn't debate the fact Delly sees a lot of open threes, and he is making them. I tend to think this is a reflection on his excellent half court passing because its not like I see a defense ignoring him all game long. I see Delly moving the ball to the open man and getting assists off the extra pass.

Delly is a perfect regular season backup. He's the kind of guy that is more heart than talent and wins his matchup on pure hustle. That wins games during the regular season grind where players don't necessarily give their all every game. The starters can get up big and then Delly can demoralize his guy by getting in their face and generally outplaying them.

Hustle seems like a good thing in the regular season AND the playoffs, to me. It's just more of a rarity day in and day out in the regular season. It's also a big reason Varejao was often hurt half the season... it is rarely sustainable. His Australian National coach Brent Brown was a Popovich disciple and taught Delly how to play half court playoff basketball. I'm not too worried.

Playoffs are another story. I don't see him as a 10+ minute guy on a championship team where every possession is a battle and every player is schemed against. I will enjoy him as the little Andy that he is now but hope to god I don't see him in the playoffs.

Because he hustles, makes smart passes in the half court, and hits open shots at a high percentage? I ask in the three separate paragraph retorts because while I agree with the first two paragraphs, I don't see the third as a logical progression. I think Delly is going to be an asset in the playoffs for 10-15 minutes. Of course, there is only one way to find out...

 

[NasstyNate]

Because he hustles, makes smart passes in the half court, and hits open shots at a high percentage? I ask in the three separate paragraph retorts because while I agree with the first two paragraphs, I don't see the third as a logical progression. I think Delly is going to be an asset in the playoffs for 10-15 minutes. Of course, there is only one way to find out...

The logic goes:

2) Delly has an advantage during the regular season because he is going 100% against guys going 80%
3) Delly is a liability in the playoffs because he is going 100% against (more talented) guys going 100%

I see teams with any kind of skilled wing players going after him on every possession. Especially if Love and TT are behind him.

 

[Helium filament]

I certainly wouldn't debate the fact Delly sees a lot of open threes, and he is making them. I tend to think this is a reflection on his excellent half court passing because its not like I see a defense ignoring him all game long. I see Delly moving the ball to the open man and getting assists off the extra pass.

I focused on Delly while watching the 4th quarter of the last two games (partly because I was annoyed that he was still in) and he was left wide open play after play, allowing his defender to crowd the paint, which is why I don't think he helps spread the floor at all. I'm glad he made his 3's, but he was wide open for most of them. If we see Delly play more than 10 minutes in playoffs, especially an entire 4th quarter like that, I'm going to be really disappointed. We actually have some depth now and that needs to be utilized.

 

[Randolphkeys]

he was left wide open play after play, allowing his defender to crowd the paint, which is why I don't think he helps spread the floor at all. I'm glad he made his 3's, but he was wide open for most of them.

The way a defense tries to solve the Cavaliers offense is not in the power of Cavalier coaches. If the opponent dares a wide open Delly to shoot open 3s and he makes them... where is the problem? It's like complaining that Bruce Bowen or Steve Kerr were taking open shots. Its only a problem if the player isn't hitting them at over 36-40%

The logic goes:

2) Delly has an advantage during the regular season because he is going 100% against guys going 80%
3) Delly is a liability in the playoffs because he is going 100% against (more talented) guys going 100%

I see teams with any kind of skilled wing players going after him on every possession. Especially if Love and TT are behind him.

And I don't see the logic in assuming what happens in the playoffs. Nobody knows how open Delly will be in the playoffs, especially if he continues to shoot 42+% from the location. Again, he isn't the first 3 and D player I've seen play in the playoffs...

 

[BimboColesHair]

The way a defense tries to solve the Cavaliers offense is not in the power of Cavalier coaches. If the opponent dares a wide open Delly to shoot open 3s and he makes them... where is the problem? It's like complaining that Bruce Bowen or Steve Kerr were taking open shots. Its only a problem if the player isn't hitting them at over 36-40%



And I don't see the logic in assuming what happens in the playoffs. Nobody knows how open Delly will be in the playoffs, especially if he continues to shoot 42+% from the location. Again, he isn't the first 3 and D player I've seen play in the playoffs...

I'm amazed people are so against playing him in the playoffs for even a minute. The playoffs are all about execution and spacing in the half court and defending. Delly provides all 3 things that are required from role players to win when the games get harder. He shoots over 40% from 3, so you have to keep him in mind as a defender, he has one of the best assist/turnover ratios in the entire league (yes, Matthew Dellavedova is a league leader in a category) and keeps the ball moving, and we all know how well he defends in short spurts. With Kyrie most likely playing 40+ minutes come playoff time, two 4 to 5 minute spurts from Delly won't be bad at all. People are really over exaggerating how bad they think Delly is.

 

[NeilR]

Of course people are exaggerating, just like raising a voice in a conversation people will become more shrill in their opinions to try and get noticed. The issue we face is that we are basically poorly informed, we do not know what blatt et al think or plan, we can judge on their decisions and guess at their motivations. What is clear at the moment is that blatt is using Delly at the end of the game when it matters. Delly is efficient and plays the role he is told to. He is considerably faster at getting the ball up the floor to a half court set, much faster than Kyrie, who will waste 10 seconds looking for an individual opportunity. That is a weakness amongst a few on the team that an opposing coach like pop will exploit in the playoffs.
Re the comparisons to shumpert, Delly gets paid $800k, does not shumpert get paid 4.5X as much? is Delly really overpaid? The issue here is not one of judgement, but just when judging play, the issue is one of context. For his output, growing ability, positive effects on team mates I think many teams would consider him a bargain at more than twice his current price.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

 

[Jack Brickman]

The way a defense tries to solve the Cavaliers offense is not in the power of Cavalier coaches. If the opponent dares a wide open Delly to shoot open 3s and he makes them... where is the problem? It's like complaining that Bruce Bowen or Steve Kerr were taking open shots. Its only a problem if the player isn't hitting them at over 36-40%

Yeah...how can anyone say it's a bad thing that opponents are leaving Delly open when he's hitting 42% of his threes? I hope they keep leaving him open!

 

[Kizzle]

I have a sneaking suspicion Delly will get the same exact looks in the playoffs. No NBA coach is gonna take pressure off Kyrie Lebron and Love just to stick to Delly like he's Kyle Korver. Dudes gonna be wide open on damn near every shot

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

With Kyrie most likely playing 40+ minutes come playoff time, two 4 to 5 minute spurts from Delly won't be bad at all. People are really over exaggerating how bad they think Delly is.

Delly is a situational//matchup guy. There are games in which he'll be of no use. But then they'll be other games where we'll in a defensive funk, or the ball isn't moving, or there's something like a Bradley Beal matchup, where we'll be glad as hell we have him.

Games, even games against the same team, rarely follow the same pattern. Delly doesn't fit into all of them, but that doesn't make him less valuable in those games where we really do need the kind of contribution he brings.