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I am convinced that most NBA veterans, and especially LeBron, know exactly how much manufacturing is happening. Yet as true professionals they persevere.
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Thanks to Delly for the play that literally got me to sign up to Twitter for the first time. No profile pic yet but been having a hell of a fun time respectfully telling the truth about that play and the Korver play.
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I'm too lazy and I lack the technical skills, but I bet a Cavs fan could assemble a series of flagrant 1 or 2 worthy hits that Delly has taken from various players throughout the playoffs. I bet it numbers somewhere between 5 and 15. All I've seen him do is a leg lock on a guy who had been hitting him in previous plays and hustle for loose balls. I've also seen him dive into a player going for the ball, which I guess you could argue is borderline because all he's really gonna do there is commit a foul. But when he dives into those players, it's at the level of the ball, not shoulder level or above.
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i recall from the postgame presser for that game where Taj Gibson got ejected that LeBron said that Delly had been hit hard 2 or 3 times in preceding plays by Gibson or others I think.
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I can't ever remember this much bullshit being spewed and spun in order to trash a player. Do analysts, journalists and sports figures have no integrity anymore? Does trashing a player, especially one thats busted his ass to be where he is today, really get their dicks that hard? Fuck sports media, it has become a terrible joke.
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yes.
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Same as on here. MirORich
Going to have to make a second account so my non sports fan friends(ie most of my friends) don't hate me
Hmmm, OK. You need to split 'journalists' into segments. Those who work online need to 'churn' online, which means that they need to write something FAST and get it there before others in order to keep peoples attention. To get attention you need to capture the moment or the sensationalism of the moment. This means you pick a common narrative - simple people do not like something that goes against their current perception of events. Factural is less important - it's opinion writing. Fear the sword, Windhorst et al are all good examples. You will see sound bites from the post game interviews rewritten into longer pieces and little more.
Those journalists who work for print media also have to be timely but the attention spans are greater and the need for churn reduced. There will be more consideration and more words/complexity to the writing. There is more need to be factual as the piece of writing will be around for much longer. I write for a magazine and the current article/interview is 7,000 words (not basketball related so no link etc) and there are numerous fact check procedures before editor sees it.
Note this is a simple perspective - there are lots more issues, but source to outlet depends on audience and pressures. As always accuracy is a function of pressure.
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Looking at the replay again, it actually looks like Horford could have injured Delly on his initial arm yank/takedown. Not as outrageous as the Olynik/K Love one, but it seemed like Delly's arm was getting yanked pretty good there.
I didn't appreciate Horfords notion that Delly needs to learn that the NBA is a brotherhood and that players need to watch out for each other. I don't see players watching out for Delly out there. It's been physical on both sides, but the difference is that the Cavs players have kept their cool and let Atlanta get the flagrants.
I didn't appreciate Horfords notion that Delly needs to learn that the NBA is a brotherhood and that players need to watch out for each other. I don't see players watching out for Delly out there. It's been physical on both sides, but the difference is that the Cavs players have kept their cool and let Atlanta get the flagrants.
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Yeah, I don't understand how Horford doesn't get any shit for what is unquestionably a dirty play. Sure, he got booted, but isn't he still a 'dirty player?'
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Listening to Reggie Miller, Chris Webber and Kenny Smith kick dirt all over Delly, to the point where Miller and Webber actually laughed when Delly was (intentionally) kneed in the face in a loose ball situation later in the game, had me thoroughly disgusted. I do not understand what these guys are looking at.
The Korver play is a non-issue, flat-out. Anyone who can actually sit here, watch the whole play (not the tiny snippet they chose to show over and over during the telecast) and tell me that he intentionally dove at Korver's leg? I call them a liar or stupid.
The guy had the ball poked away from him, it was rolling toward the opponent and he dove to try and regain possession. It was a hustle play in a key sequence during a freaking playoff game. The only other option was to watch it roll to the opponent.
While less clear, upon even a semi-close inspection, Delly was being hooked as Horford -- a guy who only outweighs him by 60 pounds -- attempted to either make it look like Delly was fouling him (most likely the case) or just to take Delly out of the play as it looked like the Cavs could have started a fastbreak. Delly lost his footing and made a late attempt to shield Horford from the ball.
Horford came with the elbow because he was frustrated, both by the fact that his team is about to be swept and that this little, unathletic guy has been so effective against them.
The Gibson play is the only one that Delly actually did deserve a "T" but there was nothing dirty about it. Annoying? Sure. But that's one of his roles and he does it well, obviously.
It makes me wonder what Miller, Webber and Smith were attempting to accomplish by mudslinging for literally hours on Delly. I'm not sure if it was simply disappointment that the Hawks aren't able to make a series out of this, being disgruntled that the Hawks' best player was ejected, or a complete misunderstanding of what it really takes for the guys around the world who aren't born with the size and/or athleticism that they were.
Diving for loose balls, scrapping for every inch of the floor and backing down from no one are the reasons Delly is able to make basketball his living.
I thought it was sort of telling that by far the two best basketball players on the panel -- Shaq and Chuck -- sided with Delly completely. Those guys, despite their natural gifts, also were relentless on the floor, backed down from no one and scrapped for every inch. That's why they understood what Dellavedova is trying to do and also probably one of the major reasons why they were legitimately all-time great players, unlike the other three.
I'm also disappointed that the Hawks are taking this route out of the playoffs. Instead of playing as hard as you can (which to their credit they did tonight) and gracefully bowing out when it inevitably came up short, they're choosing to exit stage left whining and crying. The Bulls were easily the second best team in the conference and you didn't hear this kind of stuff from them, because they understand physical basketball.
Watching the Hawks play in this series after what we endured against the Bulls, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that this level of intensity, effort and physicality is foreign to them.
Quite a long rant, but I had to get that off my chest. Delly doesn't deserve the way this narrative is beginning to play out and it was refreshing to see LeBron get his back passionately.
The Korver play is a non-issue, flat-out. Anyone who can actually sit here, watch the whole play (not the tiny snippet they chose to show over and over during the telecast) and tell me that he intentionally dove at Korver's leg? I call them a liar or stupid.
The guy had the ball poked away from him, it was rolling toward the opponent and he dove to try and regain possession. It was a hustle play in a key sequence during a freaking playoff game. The only other option was to watch it roll to the opponent.
While less clear, upon even a semi-close inspection, Delly was being hooked as Horford -- a guy who only outweighs him by 60 pounds -- attempted to either make it look like Delly was fouling him (most likely the case) or just to take Delly out of the play as it looked like the Cavs could have started a fastbreak. Delly lost his footing and made a late attempt to shield Horford from the ball.
Horford came with the elbow because he was frustrated, both by the fact that his team is about to be swept and that this little, unathletic guy has been so effective against them.
The Gibson play is the only one that Delly actually did deserve a "T" but there was nothing dirty about it. Annoying? Sure. But that's one of his roles and he does it well, obviously.
It makes me wonder what Miller, Webber and Smith were attempting to accomplish by mudslinging for literally hours on Delly. I'm not sure if it was simply disappointment that the Hawks aren't able to make a series out of this, being disgruntled that the Hawks' best player was ejected, or a complete misunderstanding of what it really takes for the guys around the world who aren't born with the size and/or athleticism that they were.
Diving for loose balls, scrapping for every inch of the floor and backing down from no one are the reasons Delly is able to make basketball his living.
I thought it was sort of telling that by far the two best basketball players on the panel -- Shaq and Chuck -- sided with Delly completely. Those guys, despite their natural gifts, also were relentless on the floor, backed down from no one and scrapped for every inch. That's why they understood what Dellavedova is trying to do and also probably one of the major reasons why they were legitimately all-time great players, unlike the other three.
I'm also disappointed that the Hawks are taking this route out of the playoffs. Instead of playing as hard as you can (which to their credit they did tonight) and gracefully bowing out when it inevitably came up short, they're choosing to exit stage left whining and crying. The Bulls were easily the second best team in the conference and you didn't hear this kind of stuff from them, because they understand physical basketball.
Watching the Hawks play in this series after what we endured against the Bulls, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that this level of intensity, effort and physicality is foreign to them.
Quite a long rant, but I had to get that off my chest. Delly doesn't deserve the way this narrative is beginning to play out and it was refreshing to see LeBron get his back passionately.
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