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Memphis Grizzlies trade Rudy Gay to Toronto
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
From Marc Stein:
The Memphis Grizzlies continue to field calls from teams interested in Rudy Gay and are engaged in active trade discussions with the Toronto Raptors, sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com.
Although the framework of a workable trade has not yet been established, sources told ESPN.com that Toronto -- known to be perhaps Gay's most determined suitor -- has continued to make a hard push for the swingman.
The Grizzlies, though, maintain that last week's luxury-tax-slashing trade with Cleveland means they no longer feel the same pressure to move Gay or another high-priced player before the NBA's Feb. 21 trade deadline.
New Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien told local reporters late last week that "we really like our team" and that it is "more likely than not that we do nothing" in terms of breaking up Memphis' marquee foursome of Gay, point guard Mike Conley, forward Zach Randolph and center Marc Gasol.
But sources say that the Raptors, undaunted by that stance, continue to pursue Gay and also covet Grizzlies forward Darrell Arthur. Toronto, sources said, has made veteran point guard Jose Calderon and blossoming young forward Ed Davis available as the two cornerstones of its offer.
Other teams remain engaged with the Grizzlies as well, as Memphis officials continue to weigh whether it is best to trade Gay or keep together the core of a team that has ranked among the top four in the Western Conference.
If talks with the Raptors do progress, according to sources, it's possible that a trade with Memphis could expand to include other teams and players. NBA front-office sources have maintained for weeks that Calderon (who has an expiring contract), fellow Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry (only $1 million in guaranteed salary next season) and former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani all are available.
The Boston Celtics, sources say, are another team that has registered exploratory interest in Gay. But making a trade for Gay would require Boston to part with Paul Pierce -- a step that Celtics management may not be ready to take, especially since Gay has two years left on his contract valued at more than $35 million.
Sources say that the Grizzlies, meanwhile, know Pierce would likely have strong reservations about leaving Boston for Memphis and aren't sure he could address the various priorities they've identified as musts in a Gay trade, such as adding depth and youth to the roster as well as balancing out a top-heavy payroll.
Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night, in the wake of Rajon Rondo's season-ending knee injury, that Boston was more likely to pursue Lowry and his cap-friendly contract.
ESPN.com reported Friday that there is no shortage of teams convinced that the Grizzlies might still opt to move Gay before the trade deadline, especially in the wake of their recent trade with Cleveland that shed more than $6 million in salary and took the Grizzlies under the luxury-tax threshold.
But Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins and various players have publicly lobbied for the right to play out this season with no dramatic changes to the roster, now that Memphis will not have a luxury-tax bill at season's end.
Taking the long-term view, however, Memphis' management team under new owner Robert Pera is said to be concerned about its limited ability to keep improving the roster and address obvious concerns regarding the Grizzlies' depth and perimeter shooting. The bulk of Memphis' payroll is tied up in four players: Gay, Conley, Randolph and Gasol.
To convince Cleveland to take back reserves Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby in Tuesday's trade, Memphis was forced to surrender a protected future first-round pick.
The Grizzlies, sources said, were concerned about their lack of future first-round picks before that trade and are thus believed to be pursuing picks as part of any in-season deal involving Gay.
The Grizzlies could also elect to resist in-season trades and then try to move Gay or Randolph in connection with the draft in June or during free agency in July.
From Marc Stein:
The Memphis Grizzlies continue to field calls from teams interested in Rudy Gay and are engaged in active trade discussions with the Toronto Raptors, sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com.
Although the framework of a workable trade has not yet been established, sources told ESPN.com that Toronto -- known to be perhaps Gay's most determined suitor -- has continued to make a hard push for the swingman.
The Grizzlies, though, maintain that last week's luxury-tax-slashing trade with Cleveland means they no longer feel the same pressure to move Gay or another high-priced player before the NBA's Feb. 21 trade deadline.
New Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien told local reporters late last week that "we really like our team" and that it is "more likely than not that we do nothing" in terms of breaking up Memphis' marquee foursome of Gay, point guard Mike Conley, forward Zach Randolph and center Marc Gasol.
But sources say that the Raptors, undaunted by that stance, continue to pursue Gay and also covet Grizzlies forward Darrell Arthur. Toronto, sources said, has made veteran point guard Jose Calderon and blossoming young forward Ed Davis available as the two cornerstones of its offer.
Other teams remain engaged with the Grizzlies as well, as Memphis officials continue to weigh whether it is best to trade Gay or keep together the core of a team that has ranked among the top four in the Western Conference.
If talks with the Raptors do progress, according to sources, it's possible that a trade with Memphis could expand to include other teams and players. NBA front-office sources have maintained for weeks that Calderon (who has an expiring contract), fellow Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry (only $1 million in guaranteed salary next season) and former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani all are available.
The Boston Celtics, sources say, are another team that has registered exploratory interest in Gay. But making a trade for Gay would require Boston to part with Paul Pierce -- a step that Celtics management may not be ready to take, especially since Gay has two years left on his contract valued at more than $35 million.
Sources say that the Grizzlies, meanwhile, know Pierce would likely have strong reservations about leaving Boston for Memphis and aren't sure he could address the various priorities they've identified as musts in a Gay trade, such as adding depth and youth to the roster as well as balancing out a top-heavy payroll.
Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night, in the wake of Rajon Rondo's season-ending knee injury, that Boston was more likely to pursue Lowry and his cap-friendly contract.
ESPN.com reported Friday that there is no shortage of teams convinced that the Grizzlies might still opt to move Gay before the trade deadline, especially in the wake of their recent trade with Cleveland that shed more than $6 million in salary and took the Grizzlies under the luxury-tax threshold.
But Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins and various players have publicly lobbied for the right to play out this season with no dramatic changes to the roster, now that Memphis will not have a luxury-tax bill at season's end.
Taking the long-term view, however, Memphis' management team under new owner Robert Pera is said to be concerned about its limited ability to keep improving the roster and address obvious concerns regarding the Grizzlies' depth and perimeter shooting. The bulk of Memphis' payroll is tied up in four players: Gay, Conley, Randolph and Gasol.
To convince Cleveland to take back reserves Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby in Tuesday's trade, Memphis was forced to surrender a protected future first-round pick.
The Grizzlies, sources said, were concerned about their lack of future first-round picks before that trade and are thus believed to be pursuing picks as part of any in-season deal involving Gay.
The Grizzlies could also elect to resist in-season trades and then try to move Gay or Randolph in connection with the draft in June or during free agency in July.
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
I think the Griz should ask for:
JC, Davis, Amir Johnson, Klieza and picks (roughly 22$ mil with 14 million exp by 2014)
for
Arthur and Gay (roughly 20$ mil)
Just to see how serious Toronto is
I think the Griz should ask for:
JC, Davis, Amir Johnson, Klieza and picks (roughly 22$ mil with 14 million exp by 2014)
for
Arthur and Gay (roughly 20$ mil)
Just to see how serious Toronto is
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Not saying the Raps wouldn't but this is also the same team that gave Hedu that contract he's still on so the Grizz would have to try
Not saying the Raps wouldn't but this is also the same team that gave Hedu that contract he's still on so the Grizz would have to try
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Man, if they do ship out Gay then the whole trade they made with the Cavs is really just terrible on their end. They gave up a 1st rounder and a large portion of their bench to get under the cap and keep their core. Then they are going to give up part of their core (which would've gotten them under the cap to begin with)?
I'm glade Grant struck while the iron was hot.
Man, if they do ship out Gay then the whole trade they made with the Cavs is really just terrible on their end. They gave up a 1st rounder and a large portion of their bench to get under the cap and keep their core. Then they are going to give up part of their core (which would've gotten them under the cap to begin with)?
I'm glade Grant struck while the iron was hot.
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
The main reason they made a deal with us was so that they would no longer have zero leverage in negotiations for Rudy Gay or Zach Randolph. Before our deal, everyone knew they had to get under the cap and, thus, were offering them pennies on the dollar. Now that they are no longer saddled with the need to get under the cap, they can at least bargain on even ground. They're never going to get full value for Gay because of his terrible contract, but now at least they can get a decent return for him.
The main reason they made a deal with us was so that they would no longer have zero leverage in negotiations for Rudy Gay or Zach Randolph. Before our deal, everyone knew they had to get under the cap and, thus, were offering them pennies on the dollar. Now that they are no longer saddled with the need to get under the cap, they can at least bargain on even ground. They're never going to get full value for Gay because of his terrible contract, but now at least they can get a decent return for him.
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Potential three team deal that sends Paul Pierce to Memphis, Rudy Gay to Toronto, Ed Davis & Jose Calderon to Boston is possible (USA Today)</p>— Legion Sports (@MySportsLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/296362286879240192">January 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Potential three team deal that sends Paul Pierce to Memphis, Rudy Gay to Toronto, Ed Davis & Jose Calderon to Boston is possible (USA Today)</p>— Legion Sports (@MySportsLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/296362286879240192">January 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
There's reports out there that Memphis and Toronto are looking for a team to take Calderon's $10 Million expiring...
Grant: Hey guys, heard you're looking to whore out 10 Mil?
TOR/MEM: Yup
Grant: And what's that Memphis? You miss Ellington's 3-point shooting off the bench?... You can have Boobie Gibson! And Luke Walton! All I need is Toronto's Top 5 protected 2014 1st rounder... and shit, with Rudy Gay, that pick won't sniff the lottery! (holds back laughter)
Colangelo: Durrrr... I'm sold
There's reports out there that Memphis and Toronto are looking for a team to take Calderon's $10 Million expiring...
Grant: Hey guys, heard you're looking to whore out 10 Mil?
TOR/MEM: Yup
Grant: And what's that Memphis? You miss Ellington's 3-point shooting off the bench?... You can have Boobie Gibson! And Luke Walton! All I need is Toronto's Top 5 protected 2014 1st rounder... and shit, with Rudy Gay, that pick won't sniff the lottery! (holds back laughter)
Colangelo: Durrrr... I'm sold
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Toronto can't give us a 2014 first rounder because they already sent a 2013 first to Houston in the Lowry trade. The earliest they could give us a pick is 2015, with no actual guarantee we'd see it that soon, although it's unlikely Toronto makes the playoffs this year (which would mean OKC gets that pick).
Toronto can't give us a 2014 first rounder because they already sent a 2013 first to Houston in the Lowry trade. The earliest they could give us a pick is 2015, with no actual guarantee we'd see it that soon, although it's unlikely Toronto makes the playoffs this year (which would mean OKC gets that pick).
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Word is Toronto is looking for value for Calderon, so that, along with reasons listed above, lead me to believe that humanity won't have to be subjected to the tragically unfunny scenario you've presented.
Word is Toronto is looking for value for Calderon, so that, along with reasons listed above, lead me to believe that humanity won't have to be subjected to the tragically unfunny scenario you've presented.
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Since the entire Trade section of this board is typically tragic, I figured it would fit right in.
Since the entire Trade section of this board is typically tragic, I figured it would fit right in.
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Re: Rudy Gay being shopped by Grizz
Good catch. We'll take Terrence Ross then :chuckles: ... That post was less about creating a realistic trade (i.e. I know we aren't getting an asset for a lateral salary move) and more about thinking about how Grant just raped someone in a trade and is probably looking for any opportunity to do it again, and those two teams happen to be looking for a third.
Good catch. We'll take Terrence Ross then :chuckles: ... That post was less about creating a realistic trade (i.e. I know we aren't getting an asset for a lateral salary move) and more about thinking about how Grant just raped someone in a trade and is probably looking for any opportunity to do it again, and those two teams happen to be looking for a third.