Morris Claiborne Vs. Trent Richardson: pick a side

[MD13]

FYI

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Here's a tease for my mock. Based only on on-field play (nothing else), Claiborne is my 3rd rated corner. Still goes in the top 10.</p>&mdash; Greg Cosell (@gregcosell) <a href="https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/193813606524137472" data-datetime="2012-04-21T21:28:59+00:00">April 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Not only that, but multiple evaluators (Cosell included) say that Richardson is the best at his position out of any player in the draft. I don't think this is a straight up "both players are equally talented, so go with the more important position" case. I think Richardson is an incredible and rare RB prospect who only comes along once every few years, while Claiborne is an elite, top 10 prospect but not undoubtedly the best CB in years.

 

[AZ_]

I think you can put together a solid argument that says TRich is every bit as good of a running back prospect that Andrew Luck is a quarterback prospect.

Meaning, if Luck is a Peyton Manning-esque prospect...Rich is Marshall Faulk/AP

I'm not so sure you say that about MoC...although I think he's a fine prospect.

 

[Ghost Writer]

youre right trent richardson is hte most talented player in this draft if you ignore that luck, griffin, kahil, and clairborne are in it.

Richardson is hand's down the best athlete, counting those named and not named, he will be the most productive of all those guy's.....guaransheed!

 

[MoneyForGyros]

Drafting Trent will make teams stack the box against the run. Hopefully opening up the passing. I hope we get a couple WR in this draft.

 

[Ghost Writer]

While Ghost Writer's post is characteristically hyperbolic and self-contradicting...I agree with his over-arching point 100%.

While Jigo's post are pessimistically biased as well as self-promoting, and frankly quite distorted at times I have learned to appreciate his comments regardless of how bizzare they appear at first read, kinda like a fine wine that get's better the more you drink .....and that's no exaggeration

 

[FiveThous]

Did they win because of Reggie Bush?

He's a bust.

Have you heard of Charles Woodson of the Greenbay Packers? Although they didn't draft him and he was a FA, he was picked 4th overall.

'08 Giants:
Aaron Ross: 20th overall

AFC Champs: Pats
Chad Scott: 24th overall

'09 Steelers:
None

NFC Champs Arizona:
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: 16th overall
'10 Saints:
Malcom Jenkins 14th overall

AFC Champs Colts:
None

'12 Giants:
Prince: 19th overall. (DNP)

reggie just rushed 1000 yards last season

 

[AZ_]

Did they win because of Reggie Bush?

He's a bust.

Have you heard of Charles Woodson of the Greenbay Packers? Although they didn't draft him and he was a FA, he was picked 4th overall.

'08 Giants:
Aaron Ross: 20th overall

AFC Champs: Pats
Chad Scott: 24th overall

'09 Steelers:
None

NFC Champs Arizona:
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: 16th overall
'10 Saints:
Malcom Jenkins 14th overall

AFC Champs Colts:
None

'12 Giants:
Prince: 19th overall. (DNP)

Thank you for proving both arguments are complete shit.

 

[MalTalm]

While Jigo's post are pessimistically biased as well as self-promoting, and frankly quite distorted at times I have learned to appreciate his comments regardless of how bizzare they appear at first read, kinda like a fine wine that get's better the more you drink .....and that's no exaggeration

I always thought Jigo was more like Mad Dog 20/20.

 

[G00seY3]

I'd take either one of them and be happy.

Richardson is a gamechanger for years to come on the offense. My only fear about us drafting him is that, with our offense having no other skill players, defenses will focus in on him and he will have zero effect on the offense with all the defenders worrying about just him. The running game doesn't open up the passing game, the passing game opens up the running game.

Mo makes our defense better, by making it tougher for QBs to pass the ball and allows us the ability send blitzes on just about every play with two, possible, lockdown corners. You need two cornerbacks on the field at all times. I'd take two elite CBs over an elite CB and an average CB all day long. Only worry about Mo is we might end up losing him or Joe in a few years due to $$$ and the fact that two elite CBs on one team hasn't worked out too well in the past.

Anyone saying RB is a position of higher need... you can't draft on need, you have to draft on BPA, if it is T-Rich you pick him, if it is Mo you pick him. You just can't draft on need or else you won't get anywhere and this team has needs everywhere! And anyone saying you can find a good number two corner in the later rounds... you can say the same about running back. Both players will make an impact on this team from day one.

You win championships with defense and that's why I'm just slightly leaning toward Claiborne.

 

[KCOTT]

Just to be clear, I think a lot of the people here voted based on what they think the Browns will do, not what they prefer to do. That's how I voted.

I think you and Damage have trouble voting and comprehending polls. Hopefully you figure it out before the 2012 election.

How do you figure? Don't be silly.

If you're saying that Trent will help keep the defense off the field, which is true, then in the same breath you must say Claiborne will help the offense by getting them on the field more and/or getting better field position with interceptions, fumbles created by the defensive front 7 (since we have 2 elite corners, the front 7 can be more aggressive, thus forcing more turnovers).

You know what, you're right. Just like when Joe Haden was drafted in 2010, he improved the offense by increasing our total rushing yards from 2,087 in 2009, to 1,646 in the year he was drafted, over 400 less than what our opponents did against us. Richardson won't nearly have the same amount of impact, if at all. Last season, we rushed for even less (1,531 yards), but granted, it was quite a reach with Buster Skrine in the 5th round, so I could see why the drop off in rushing yards.

We were 30th in ppg at 13.6, and 28th in rushing with 95.7 yds/game. I think Morris Claiborne is the clear solution here.

 

[KCOTT]

Now when Anthony Henry was drafted in 2001, he did drastically improve our team rushing from 1,085 yards to 1,351 yards (about 900 yards less than our opponents) with his 10 interceptions. Just more substantial random findings to help stir this argument in favor of Claiborne over Richardson when it comes to improving our abysmal offense.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I think a lot has been mentioned about having two lock down corners will improve our blitzes. You have to remember that Juron's schemes as far as blitzing go are pretty vanilla. He really has never been known to bring blitzes in his schemes. He prefers to play it safe with man coverage, 2 deep safties and getting most of his heat from the edge. Would this change with 2 possible lock down corners? Maybe. I think our defense would benefit more from an offense that can have balance through run and pass by better ball control.

 

[KCOTT]

I posted this in the other thread:

And looking back at draft histories because I was curious, the following running backs were taken in the Top 7 since 1999: Darren McFadden, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, LaDainian Thomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, Edgerrin James, and Ricky Williams. That's a decent track record. The Browns had the opportunity to draft several of those guys, most notably Peterson, Thomlinson, Lewis and James. We're bound to get something special with Richardson. Let's finally get a perennial Pro Bowler that the city can identify with that isn't a lineman or a punt returner.

Taking a look back, the only corners taken in the top 5 since 1999 are:

Patrick Peterson last season, Terence Newman in 2003, and Quentin Jammer in 2002. None of them have brought their team to the Super Bowl.

 

[The Voice]

reggie just rushed 1000 yards last season

1 time since he's been drafted number two overall? You don't consider him a bust?

 

[The Voice]

How does drafting Richardson help us stop the run? The reason our pass defense was so good is because any team could pretty much run on us.

Moral of the story this team has a ton of holes. If we drafted MoC we could kill 2 birds with one stone. Brown could move to fs and MoC would be an instant starter as well.

You know what, you're right. Just like when Joe Haden was drafted in 2010, he improved the offense by increasing our total rushing yards from 2,087 in 2009, to 1,646 in the year he was drafted, over 400 less than what our opponents did against us. Richardson won't nearly have the same amount of impact, if at all. Last season, we rushed for even less (1,531 yards), but granted, it was quite a reach with Buster Skrine in the 5th round, so I could see why the drop off in rushing yards.

We were 30th in ppg at 13.6, and 28th in rushing with 95.7 yds/game. I think Morris Claiborne is the clear solution here.