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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Report: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NorthKorea">#NorthKorea</a> loads 2 missiles onto launchers <a href="http://t.co/kIEXp6wEGb" title="http://on.cnn.com/ZhuO2m">on.cnn.com/ZhuO2m</a></p>&mdash; CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/320150097356783616">April 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Optimus, assuming you are correct in your projections...what should we be doing?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Report: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NorthKorea">#NorthKorea</a> loads 2 missiles onto launchers <a href="http://t.co/kIEXp6wEGb" title="http://on.cnn.com/ZhuO2m">on.cnn.com/ZhuO2m</a></p>— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/320150097356783616">April 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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This is just going to make it all the more hilarious when they both crash into the ocean.

Also, are we sure this isn't just more North Korean photoshop? ;)
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/...korean-hovercraft-landing-photo-faked/100480/
 
The only thing keeping the Chinese from being consumers now is the constant inflation of the RMB to keep it pegged to the dollar. The Chinese people can't afford the products they make for this reason alone. That would stop the minute the Chinese want it to by abandoning the dollar. At that point the RMB would soar, Chinese domestic prices would plummet, and they would all be able to buy the same things we have been buying.

The minute your first point talked of a conspiracy theory, your preceding arguments lost all credibility....that and the Ron Paul avatar..
 
The minute your first point talked of a conspiracy theory, your preceding arguments lost all credibility....that and the Ron Paul avatar..

Good points. Very persuasive. I assume everything we talked about flew right over your head. It's ok. I'm sure American Idol is on sometime soon, or whatever mind numbing shit it is you do with your time.
 
Optimus, assuming you are correct in your projections...what should we be doing?

By we, you mean individually? Buy commodities. I don't even mean in the market, just in general. Guns, bullets, food, land. Things that will provide for you or you can trade when the government tears this whole thing down. Gold and silver is good for long term value preservation, but won't be of immediate help. Other than that there isn't much you can do. You can support guys politically like Rand Paul that know what the deal is, but that may be fruitless anyway, and it is probably too late to change course now.
 
Good points. Very persuasive. I assume everything we talked about flew right over your head. It's ok. I'm sure American Idol is on sometime soon, or whatever mind numbing shit it is you do with your time.

I have a degree in political science and I am in law school, I know what you are talking about but when your entire argument starts with a conspiracy theory I lose all respect for your arguments. Global economic interdependence is the only reason I need to bring up while China won't let this happen. This has been stated several times but you somehow believe that the Chinese economy could survive without American and European markets...you sir are blind
 
By we, you mean individually? Buy commodities. I don't even mean in the market, just in general. Guns, bullets, food, land. Things that will provide for you or you can trade when the government tears this whole thing down. Gold and silver is good for long term value preservation, but won't be of immediate help. Other than that there isn't much you can do. You can support guys politically like Rand Paul that know what the deal is, but that may be fruitless anyway, and it is probably too late to change course now.

And now you are going off about an end of the world scenario..get a grip
 
I have a degree in political science and I am in law school, I know what you are talking about but when your entire argument starts with a conspiracy theory I lose all respect for your arguments. Global economic interdependence is the only reason I need to bring up while China won't let this happen. This has been stated several times but you somehow believe that the Chinese economy could survive without American and European markets...you sir are blind

I didn't post the article because of the "globalist conspiracy", which may or may not be true. I posted it because the consequences of our policies, as described in the article, are absolutely realistic and if they come to pass things will be miserable for us all. And I don't know why you think they would be without the European market. You think they will stop doing business with China because of us?
 
And now you are going off about an end of the world scenario..get a grip

Is it an end of the world scenario? Or preparing for a severe depression scenario? Which has happened here before. Or a hyperinflationary depression scenario? Which has happened all over the world before. You don't think those things I mentioned would be helpful if the economy crashed and the government was unable to print enough money to provide for all of the people they take care of?
 
The great depression happened because the government did not step in when recession hit.

- they believed they had to balance the budget every year, even during a recession, so their was no government stimulus
- they let banks fail and people lost all of their money, which only compounded the problem

our last recession started out in a pattern similar to the great depression, this time the government took the steps needed to prevent a second great depression.

Even had that not worked, I'm not sure what the value of buying land would be as plummeting real estate values were a significant part of the problem in the recession.
 
The great depression happened because the government did not step in when recession hit.

- they believed they had to balance the budget every year, even during a recession, so their was no government stimulus
- they let banks fail and people lost all of their money, which only compounded the problem

our last recession started out in a pattern similar to the great depression, this time the government took the steps needed to prevent a second great depression.

Even had that not worked, I'm not sure what the value of buying land would be as plummeting real estate values were a significant part of the problem in the recession.

No, it didn't. But you sure gobbled up what your federally funded textbook told you in school. Hoover ran the largest peacetime deficits in our history to that point. His public works programs wasted billions of dollars. His collusion with big business to prop up wages created massive unemployment. His destruction of crops to prop up food prices caused starvation where there wouldn't have been any. Then FDR came in and continued Hoover's game plan.

Around ten years prior, the depression of 1920 began even more severe than the one in 1929. Unemployment skyrocketed and the price level fell off a cliff. Fortunately for everyone, Wilson was dying so he didn't do anything about it. Then when Harding was elected, he and Congress cut the budget. The Fed didn't even cut interest rates. The government did nothing, and within a year the economy was soaring. If Harding was in office in 1929, the Great Depression would be known as the depression of 1929, and this country to this day would be so much better off without the New Deal. Instead for the first time we had massive government intervention, and not coincidentally, we had a 15 year depression.

With this recession, the government printed unfathomable amounts of money to prevent the correction, so this economy will continue to flounder until they either stop propping it up with phony paper, or they just destroy the paper.

Yes, that means everything you were taught is wrong. I'm sorry to have to break it to you. It isn't hard to find to the facts to back me up if you want to look for them.
 
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No, it didn't. But you sure gobbled up what your federally funded textbook told you in school. Hoover ran the largest peacetime deficits in our history to that point. His public works programs wasted billions of dollars. His collusion with big business to prop up wages created massive unemployment. His destruction of crops to prop up food prices caused starvation where there wouldn't have been any. Then FDR came in and continued Hoover's game plan.

Around ten years prior, the depression of 1920 began even more severe than the one in 1929. Unemployment skyrocketed and the price level fell off a cliff. Fortunately for everyone, Wilson was dying so he didn't do anything about it. Then when Harding was elected, he and Congress cut the budget. The Fed didn't even cut interest rates. The government did nothing, and within a year the economy was soaring. If Harding was in office in 1929, the Great Depression would be known as the depression of 1929, and this country to this day would be so much better off without the New Deal. Instead for the first time we had massive government intervention, and not coincidentally, we had a 15 year depression.

With this recession, the government printed unfathomable amounts of money to prevent the correction, so this economy will continue to flounder until they either stop propping it up with phony paper, or they just destroy the paper.

Yes, that means everything you were taught is wrong. I'm sorry to have to break it to you. It isn't hard to find to the facts to back me up if you want to look for them.

The thing that killed the country in the great depression was the multiple attempts to raise tax revenues to balance the budget, first a massive tariff, then a 150% tax increase. I didn't say they were successful, I said they tried. Harding cut the military budget because world war 1 ended. How would he have repeated that approach in 1929?
 
The thing that killed the country in the great depression was the multiple attempts to raise tax revenues to balance the budget, first a massive tariff, then a 150% tax increase. I didn't say they were successful, I said they tried. Harding cut the military budget because world war 1 ended. How would he have repeated that approach in 1929?

World War I ended 3 years before Harding took office. The thing that killed the country in the great depression was the government propping up wages and prices, literally destroying wealth in the process, while the Fed's easy money prevented bad investments from liquidating.
 
I have a question about north korea, why does it matter at all that they moved the missiles to the east coast? North korea is only 160 miles wide. Is 160 miles in any direction really going to matter when considering the vast distances between north korea and any part of America?
 

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