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[FiveThous]

bump, how'd everyone like E2 set up some story lines for this season? It was jam packed with content.

 

[Ohio]

bump, how'd everyone like E2 set up some story lines for this season? It was jam packed with content.

Everyone uses the bigger thread, there's no more book spoilers at this point from what I understand

 

[Jack Brickman]

Everyone uses the bigger thread, there's no more book spoilers at this point from what I understand

Yeah, they are pretty much caught up to or passed the books now.

 

[FiveThous]

Ahh ok, I'll have to jump over to that one. I thought it was funny this thread was buried.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Bumping this thread for those who don't want to see a hint of spoiler discussion, tagged or otherwise. And please, if you've read spoilers and want to speculate without actually revealing any of them, please use the spoiler thread rather than this one.

Thanks.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Danaerys is trying to justify her desire for the crown with "my destiny is to end tyranny", but...Westeros doesn't have slaves anyway. And if all she wants is to end Cersei's tyranny...wouldn't Jon be just as good an option?

 

[el_capitan]

Danaerys is trying to justify her desire for the crown with "my destiny is to end tyranny", but...Westeros doesn't have slaves anyway. And if all she wants is to end Cersei's tyranny...wouldn't Jon be just as good an option?

Agreed, I mean sure they have a monarchy but people in Westeros are free to do whatever they want for the most part, even under Cersei. Where is this tyranny she wants to end?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Agreed, I mean sure they have a monarchy but people in Westeros are free to do whatever they want for the most part, even under Cersei. Where is this tyranny she wants to end?

It's not like she's advocating for a republican form of government or anything.

It's looks to be how she self-justifies her insistence that everyone bend the knee to her. Kind of ironic when you look at it that way:

"Accept me as your ruler so I can end tyranny. Or I'll burn you alive!

 

[Cassity14]

Yep. Dany appears willing to be the very thing she claims to want to destroy, but is able to justify it in her mind because of her past actions.

Her being willling to roast thousands of women and children is a pretty clear step toward madness. I don’t expect her to make it out of the show alive.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yep. Dany appears willing to be the very thing she claims to want to destroy, but is able to justify it in her mind because of her past actions.

Her being willling to roast thousands of women and children is a pretty clear step toward madness. I don’t expect her to make it out of the show alive.

She also doesn't appear to grasp entirely that Westeros isn't Essos. He did comment on being loved in Essos but not Westeros, bit I don't think she completely grasps why.

Haughtiness and messiah-complex worked pretty well in more repressive Essos. Theu just don't work in Westeros.

 

[Cassity14]

She also doesn't appear to grasp entirely that Westeros isn't Essos. He did comment on being loved in Essos but not Westeros, bit I don't think she completely grasps why.

Haughtiness and messiah-complex worked pretty well in more repressive Essos. Theu just don't work in Westeros.

I don't think I'd characterize her as haughty or having a complex in Essos, but I get what you're saying. In Essos, she was the things that she's now describing herself as, just with less self-description.

Since arriving to Westeros, she is no longer letting her actions define her. That's the biggest reason that her benevolence is no longer her defining trait, IMO.

 

[Ohio]

Thought before the season that Dany & Arya would die, and each episode has made me more and more confident in that happening.

I thought the final scene between Tyrion & Varys was very interesting. It ended something like this:

Tyrion: "What does that mean for her [Dany] ?"

Varys: *Gives him blank stare*

Tyrion: "Please don't."

Varys: "I've spoken as plainly as I can. We each have a decision to make. Pray we both make the correct one."

End scene.

I wonder what Varys intends to do, but it doesn't sound good for Dany based on that exchange. Could be as simple as spreading the truth about Jon's lineage, I suppose. My first thought was much darker, though. Like...poisoning her or something.

 

[kosis]

Thought before the season that Dany & Arya would die, and each episode has made me more and more confident in that happening.

I thought the final scene between Tyrion & Varys was very interesting. It ended something like this:

Tyrion: "What does that mean for her [Dany] ?"

Varys: *Gives him blank stare*

Tyrion: "Please don't."

Varys: "I've spoken as plainly as I can. We each have a decision to make. Pray we both make the correct one."

End scene.

I wonder what Varys intends to do, but it doesn't sound good for Dany based on that exchange. Could be as simple as spreading the truth about Jon's lineage, I suppose. My first thought was much darker, though. Like...poisoning her or something.

Yeah, I think it means Varys is going to spread the word and try to get some sort of betrayal in motion. The interesting thing is Tyrion becomes complicit if he doesn't stop him or warn Daenerys. He has a huge decision to make.

I feel like the show is leaning into Jon having to kill Dany to save the realm. For all the episode's faults, it did finally give me the plausible belief of a mad queen. She lost Jorah and now Missandei, her two closest (only?) friends, lost another dragon, and is a mess. I can see her wanting to burn it all down. Jon never wants it, always refuses it, but inevitably has to take it to save his people. Final step may be saving them from Dany.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't think I'd characterize her as haughty or having a complex in Essos, but I get what you're saying. In Essos, she was the things that she's now describing herself as, just with less self-description.

Since arriving to Westeros, she is no longer letting her actions define her. That's the biggest reason that her benevolence is no longer her defining trait, IMO.

I probably didn't word that as well as I could have. It's not really haughtiness as much as a remoteness that inherently comes with being a mythical figure of deliverance. She freed entire civilizations from thousands of years of slavery. She's essentially Moses, and her people - the Unsullied, the Dothraki, and everyone else in Essos, basically worship her. And the way she carries herself corresponds to that.

But when it came down to the feast at Winterfell, you could tell how she simply couldn't fit in. The back-slapping, joking, celebratory mood...she didn't know what to do. She lacked the approachability/relatability of someone like Jon, and that's something Westerosi lords like to see in a King. She seems a fish out of water.

I don't think it will happen, but I think the best ending for her is to return to Essos where she is truly loved and appreciated.

 

[kosis]

I probably didn't word that as well as I could have. It's not really haughtiness as much as a remoteness that inherently comes with being a mythical figure of deliverance. She freed entire civilizations numbers from thousands of years of slavery. She's essentially Moses, and her people - the Unsullied, the Dothraki, and everyone else in Essos, basically worship her. And the way she carries herself corresponds to that.

But when it came down to the feast at Winterfell, you could tell how she simply couldn't fit in. The back-slapping, joking, celebratory mood...she didn't know what to do. She lacked the approachability/relatability of someone like Jon, and that's something Westerosi lords like to see in a King. She seems a fish out of water.

I don't think it will happen, but I think the best ending for her is to return to Essos where she is truly loved and appreciated.

Very true. From a storytelling perspective it's pretty cool to see. From day one, there has been talk of "the people of Westeros raising banners for their true ruler". She's doubted it all along, but a part of her was really hoping for a sincere response of welcoming. But no one cares about Essos and no one cares about her claims. What a punch to the stomach it's been for her.