Everyone uses the bigger thread, there's no more book spoilers at this point from what I understandbump, how'd everyone like E2 set up some story lines for this season? It was jam packed with content.
Everyone uses the bigger thread, there's no more book spoilers at this point from what I understand
Danaerys is trying to justify her desire for the crown with "my destiny is to end tyranny", but...Westeros doesn't have slaves anyway. And if all she wants is to end Cersei's tyranny...wouldn't Jon be just as good an option?
Agreed, I mean sure they have a monarchy but people in Westeros are free to do whatever they want for the most part, even under Cersei. Where is this tyranny she wants to end?
Yep. Dany appears willing to be the very thing she claims to want to destroy, but is able to justify it in her mind because of her past actions.
Her being willling to roast thousands of women and children is a pretty clear step toward madness. I don’t expect her to make it out of the show alive.
She also doesn't appear to grasp entirely that Westeros isn't Essos. He did comment on being loved in Essos but not Westeros, bit I don't think she completely grasps why.
Haughtiness and messiah-complex worked pretty well in more repressive Essos. Theu just don't work in Westeros.
Thought before the season that Dany & Arya would die, and each episode has made me more and more confident in that happening.
I thought the final scene between Tyrion & Varys was very interesting. It ended something like this:
Tyrion: "What does that mean for her [Dany] ?"
Varys: *Gives him blank stare*
Tyrion: "Please don't."
Varys: "I've spoken as plainly as I can. We each have a decision to make. Pray we both make the correct one."
End scene.
I wonder what Varys intends to do, but it doesn't sound good for Dany based on that exchange. Could be as simple as spreading the truth about Jon's lineage, I suppose. My first thought was much darker, though. Like...poisoning her or something.
I don't think I'd characterize her as haughty or having a complex in Essos, but I get what you're saying. In Essos, she was the things that she's now describing herself as, just with less self-description.
Since arriving to Westeros, she is no longer letting her actions define her. That's the biggest reason that her benevolence is no longer her defining trait, IMO.
I probably didn't word that as well as I could have. It's not really haughtiness as much as a remoteness that inherently comes with being a mythical figure of deliverance. She freed entire civilizations numbers from thousands of years of slavery. She's essentially Moses, and her people - the Unsullied, the Dothraki, and everyone else in Essos, basically worship her. And the way she carries herself corresponds to that.
But when it came down to the feast at Winterfell, you could tell how she simply couldn't fit in. The back-slapping, joking, celebratory mood...she didn't know what to do. She lacked the approachability/relatability of someone like Jon, and that's something Westerosi lords like to see in a King. She seems a fish out of water.
I don't think it will happen, but I think the best ending for her is to return to Essos where she is truly loved and appreciated.