Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

[Bob_The_Cat]

If we trade Sessions for Marvin Williams instead of a 1st round pick...I will not be pleased.

What about this?

Cavs get: Williams, Atl 2012 1st
Hawks get: Sessions, NOH 2nd, CLE 2nd

Seems to make a lot of sense to me. Fills positional needs for both teams and the Cavs move up what will probably amount to 12-15 spots in the draft for getting ATL under the luxury tax line and for getting them a starting PG. Cavs aren't going to use both of those 2nd rounders anyway, so we might as well package them together to get another 1st.

 

[wee zer]

I don't know if this has already been floated, but:

Step 1 : Trade Antawn and Sessions to L.A. for Luke Walton, Steve Blake, Josh Mcroberts and the two firsts. Sessions absorbed by their exception and all the Lakers bench chumps match Jamison.

Step 2 : Ascend to tank heaven

 

[Ohio]

Marvin Williams is not good, do we really want Larry Hughes 2.0?

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

If we trade Sessions for Marvin Williams instead of a 1st round pick...I will not be pleased.

I have the feeling that if we end up trading Sessions for Marvin Williams only, it won't be "instead" of a 1st round pick. It would be because we couldn't get a 1st round pick and didn't want to lose him for nothing.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I have the feeling that if we end up trading Sessions for Marvin Williams only, it won't be "instead" of a 1st round pick. It would be because we couldn't get a 1st round pick and didn't want to lose him for nothing.

Yeah...people need to start tempering expectations. We're talking about Ramon Sessions, not Chris Paul. Remember when everyone thought we were trading JJ Hickson's bum ass for Amare? What'd we end up with? Jamison for Z and a 1st round pick. I think most assumed Sessions value would rise because NY and LAL were both in need of a starting PG. Well, NY solved their problem with someone on the roster and LA is clearly exploring other options in a larger deal. I'm not saying the Cavs still couldn't wind up with a 1st from LA, but it will likely be if their other trades fall through. The Cavs just need to make sure they get something as without a doubt Sessions will be gone at the end of the season.

 

[adriano_leite]

TheCongoKid i agree with you, and our problem is that we overvalue our players too. We want first first round picks and young players for our average players. When i remember that we didn't want to hear about using our TPE for Iguadola or Rudy Gay, we (this forum) wanted their first round picks + Iguadola (R. Gay) hahaha, we must be more realistic than we are now so we will understand what our GM work.
Sorry for bad English, i hope you understand what i am talking about.

 

[AMC]

Marvin Williams is not good, do we really want Larry Hughes 2.0?

You're right, a 6'9" Small Forward is just like the 6'5" guard that Larry Hughes is.

 

[wee zer]

I'd rather see Sessions walk for nothing than trade him for Marvin Williams. Why would we trade Sessions for another player with identical age, talent and potential and a 7.5 million dollar contract that extends for another two years after this one? You might as well just give Sessions a new deal. It's the definition of a lateral move. Completely pointless.

 

[Ohio]

You're right, a 6'9" Small Forward is just like the 6'5" guard that Larry Hughes is.

I am right, except Marvin is much more incapable on offense.

 

[SOA]

I'd rather see Sessions walk for nothing than trade him for Marvin Williams. Why would we trade Sessions for another player with identical age, talent and potential and a 7.5 million dollar contract that extends for another two years after this one? You might as well just give Sessions a new deal. It's the definition of a lateral move. Completely pointless.

because Sessions play the same position as Kyrie

Marvin williams is a definite upgrade at the 3 and if Byron Scott can spin his magic could end up being a lot better.

makes more sense that letting Sessions walk for nothing

 

[wee zer]

Aside from L.A. Sessions could potentially be moved to Portland where Raymond Felton is not working out, and the Cavs would likely look to acquire Batum. A possible deal would probably require Varejao returning from injury in order to happen and would look something like Varejao and Sessions for Batum, Felton and maybe a pick. Felton's deal is expiring so it would be a Baron Davis type acquisition.

One other option would be to Utah if they decide none of the guard prospects in the mid teen range where they are drafting have the potential to be as good as Sessions. Remember that Sessions is still very young and can fit on a team looking for an accelerated youth movement. They can acquire Sessions for a pick with their Okur exception. The pick would definitely be protected and might not be something we can cash in this year. This would be a longshot though with the potential of Sessions opting out of his contract and leaving the Jazz with nothing.

Because of his opt out potential I wouldn't be surprised to see Sessions remain with the Cavs. He's just not the caliber of player that you would rent for a championship run. And if we can't get a first or work him into a deal for a difference maker than who really cares?

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I'd rather see Sessions walk for nothing than trade him for Marvin Williams. Why would we trade Sessions for another player with identical age, talent and potential and a 7.5 million dollar contract that extends for another two years after this one? You might as well just give Sessions a new deal. It's the definition of a lateral move. Completely pointless.

Because Sessions is a PG (the Cavs already have a pretty good one in case you missed it) and they currently have Omri Casspi and Alonzo Gee playing SF. I like Gee quite a bit, but he is better suited as a SG than an SF. Casspi is terrible. The SF spot needs addressed in some fashion. You simply can't have rookies and second or third year players at every position. That's generally how your team winds up like the Wizards or the Kings. I don't think anyone is trying to say that he's an All-Star or is suddenly going to become one in Cleveland. All I'm saying is that he's certainly a guy that could average 14 pts and 6 reb for the Cavs and be a solid defender.

The Cavs may need to replace 37 ppg if Tawn, Sessions, and Andy are all traded. Williams has played on teams his entire career where he was the 4th option behind Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Horford (sometimes Jamal Crawford as well) and never played with a good PG. Maybe the Cavs acquire him, let him start for a while, and then he becomes the 6th man a year or two from now. His contract is insignificant with the amount of money the Cavs have coming off the books, and it's not even that much to begin with. I just don't see that many great options for Sessions at this point. Basically the Cavs are either going to do a deal such as this, or they are going to wait around and see what LA does and run the risk of getting nothing in return.

 

[wee zer]

makes more sense that letting Sessions walk for nothing

Cap space > Marvin Williams.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Aside from L.A. Sessions could potentially be moved to Portland where Raymond Felton is not working out, and the Cavs would likely look to acquire Batum. A possible deal would probably require Varejao returning from injury in order to happen and would look something like Varejao and Sessions for Batum, Felton and maybe a pick. Felton's deal is expiring so it would be a Baron Davis type acquisition.

One other option would be to Utah if they decide none of the guard prospects in the mid teen range where they are drafting have the potential to be as good as Sessions. Remember that Sessions is still very young and can fit on a team looking for an accelerated youth movement. They can acquire Sessions for a pick with their Okur exception. The pick would definitely be protected and might not be something we can cash in this year. This would be a longshot though with the potential of Sessions opting out of his contract and leaving the Jazz with nothing.

Because of his opt out potential I wouldn't be surprised to see Sessions remain with the Cavs. He's just not the caliber of player that you would rent for a championship run. And if we can't get a first or work him into a deal for a difference maker than who really cares?

Sessions will at least get the full MLE from someone, which is more than what he'd get if he exercised his option would be with the Cavs. Plus, he'll sign somewhere where he can be a starter, not pick up his option so he can ride the pine behing Kyrie. Sessions could start for a number of teams, including Utah, Portland, LA, Miami (gasp!), possibly Phoenix when Nash bolts, among several others. It'd be idiotic for him to pick up that option.

 

[wee zer]

Sessions will at least get the full MLE from someone, which is more than what he'd get if he exercised his option would be with the Cavs. Plus, he'll sign somewhere where he can be a starter, not pick up his option so he can ride the pine behing Kyrie. Sessions could start for a number of teams, including Utah, Portland, LA, Miami (gasp!), possibly Phoenix when Nash bolts, among several others. It'd be idiotic for him to pick up that option.

Exactly, that's what I'm saying, there's a really good chance he won't be traded because he can opt out and will be a free agent. "Remain with the Cavs" as in through the rest of the season, not next year.

You simply can't have rookies and second or third year players at every position. That's generally how your team winds up like the Wizards or the Kings.

You end up like the Kings when you try to fill vacancies with JJ Hickson and John Salmons, guys that proved they couldn't be contributors to a good team. That's the equivalent of what a Marvin Williams acquisition would be. The Cavs need to be patient and look for the home run rather than bring in a scrub because they're desperate to see a return on Sessions.