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Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

I could see the Lakers giving up one but not both first rounders for Sessions. Curious to see what additions from our end could get them to give up both. I'm thinking about the potential Kings 1st rounder, Casspi, Hollins, Samuels. The Lakers need a bench desperately.
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

and now we're going to rob teams of picks (in a stacked draft) for garbage like Sessions and Jamison. I f*cking love it. Great to be a Cavs fan right now...

earlier today i was thinking and resolved that i would trade sessions for almost any pick and a big bag of doritos because i just cant stand to see him dribble around for 20 seconds every possession. i get home to find out that we could pry a first rounder for him, maybe 2 first rounders. holy monkey balls do this deal grant.

Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't let them know about Sessions.

I want 3 1st rounders and Kobe for him, Laker fans who are reading this.

But I'll settle for your 2 firsts this year. kthxbye
 
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Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

If I'm Cleveland, why take this years #1 from LA? Which will most likely be somewhere in the 20's?

I realize this is a good draft BUT people need to see the long term goal here (a championship).

LA is an old team, so I'd bet on a future pick and hope it paid off. Why? Because you find elite stars in the lottery, not late in the 1st round.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there always are but if I'm being greedy, I bet on Kobe breaking down over the next few seasons, pushing that theoretical future pick in to the lottery (hoping to get lucky).

Kyrie and TT are 19. Realistically, the Cavs need 3 years before they're seriously going to be a contender (of some sort). While you want to stockpile young talent, you don't want to randomly do things that don't make sense (like move a 25 year old PG, who's a proven NBA player, to take a guy that you hope sticks on the roster 2-3 years from now). You want to let Kryie and TT grow, with a nice mix of veterans around them. You DON'T want to turn this in to a HS basketball team and have (5) 19-21 year olds playing at the same time. It turns in to a **** show real quick if (ala the Wizards) you have too many young guys all trying to carve out their nitch.

I don't view Sessions as a building block but he's certainly a commodity, one that you don't part with unless the deal makes sense. He's young, has a very cap friendly contract and is a proven NBA player....AND he serves a valuable purpose at this moment in time (keeping Kyrie fresh in a shortened season).

If I were the GM, I'd ultimately take this years pick for Sessions and be happy but I'd really push for the future selection. Something like a 2015 pick. 3 years from now you could add a lottery selection to a team that, if everything goes well, should already be a very competitive young squad. It was the thinking that went in to the SacTown pick and is a good strategy for small market teams IMO.
 
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Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

I'm hoping this starts a bidding war with other teams, as it has been speculated that the Knicks are interested in Sessions as well. Or not and we still get a first rounder for Sessions from the Lakers. Either way we win
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

This thread's about to explode, isn't it?
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

If I'm Cleveland, why take this years #1 from LA? Which will most likely be somewhere in the 20's?

I realize this is a good draft BUT people need to see the long term goal here (a championship).

LA is an old team, so I'd bet on a future pick and hope it paid off. Why? Because you find elite stars in the lottery, not late in the 1st round.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there always are but if I'm being greedy, I bet on Kobe breaking down over the next few seasons, pushing that theoretical future pick in to the lottery (hoping to get lucky).

Kyrie and TT are 19. Realistically, the Cavs need 3 years before they're seriously going to be a contender (of some sort). While you want to stockpile young talent, you don't want to randomly do things that don't make sense (like move a 25 year old PG, who's a proven NBA player, to take a guy that you hope sticks on the roster 2-3 years from now). You want to let Kryie and TT grow, with a nice mix of veterans around them. You DON'T want to turn this in to a HS basketball team and have (5) 19-21 year olds playing at the same time. It turns in to a **** show real quick if (ala the Wizards) you have too many young guys all trying to carve out their nitch.

I don't view Sessions as a building block but he's certainly a commodity, one that you don't part with unless the deal makes sense. He's young, has a very cap friendly contract and is a proven NBA player....AND he serves a valuable purpose at this moment in time (keeping Kyrie fresh in a shortened season).

If I were the GM I'd ultimately take this years pick for Sessions but I'd really push for the future selection. Something like a 2015 pick. 3 years from now you could add a lottery selection to a team that, if everything goes well, should already be a very competitive young squad. It was the thinking that went in to the SacTown pick and is a good strategy for small market teams IMO.

I'd much rather have the pick this year. The Lakers are the Lakers for a reason, they will always find a way to be good. Everybody wants to go play there.

Aside from that, the draft pick has value. We don't necessarily have to use it: what if we are picking 8th, and some team in the top 5 offers us their pick for our lottery pick and the Lakers pick? These are the kind of possibilities we open up by stockpiling our assets. We aren't going to get much better than a mid-late first round pick for Ramon, so this is something I definitely hope we jump on.
 
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How do draft picks count towards salary matching in trades?

Because the Lakers are obviously a tax paying team and can only take 125% +$100,000 of salary that we're trading to them. Sessions makes $4,257,973, so the Lakers would have to trade at least $3,406,378 + $100,000 in salary/value away.
 
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This is an excellent opportunity for the Cavs. Let's hope Grant makes the most of it. I'm very impressed with what i've seen from Cavs management in this rebuild so far. Hardly any moves that I disagreed with.
 
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The Lakers are weird: I'd rather target Gibson if I was them He's a better defender then Sessions and his long range shooting is ideal to open up things for Pau, Kobe, and Bynum. Plus he's played for Mike Brown. Of course, I like Boobie unlike Sessions but that also means we could command more for him as well.
Goudelock is already basically their version of Boobie. They don't need to give up a whole lot for a marginal upgrade who happens to be made of glass and costs way more.

Sessions on the other hand isn't like their other PGs. He's not the perfect fit, but at least he brings a new dimension into the fold while Boobie would not.
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

If I'm Cleveland, why take this years #1 from LA? Which will most likely be somewhere in the 20's?

I realize this is a good draft BUT people need to see the long term goal here (a championship).

LA is an old team, so I'd bet on a future pick and hope it paid off. Why? Because you find elite stars in the lottery, not late in the 1st round.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there always are but if I'm being greedy, I bet on Kobe breaking down over the next few seasons, pushing that theoretical future pick in to the lottery (hoping to get lucky).

Kyrie and TT are 19. Realistically, the Cavs need 3 years before they're seriously going to be a contender (of some sort). While you want to stockpile young talent, you don't want to randomly do things that don't make sense (like move a 25 year old PG, who's a proven NBA player, to take a guy that you hope sticks on the roster 2-3 years from now). You want to let Kryie and TT grow, with a nice mix of veterans around them. You DON'T want to turn this in to a HS basketball team and have (5) 19-21 year olds playing at the same time. It turns in to a **** show real quick if (ala the Wizards) you have too many young guys all trying to carve out their nitch.

I don't view Sessions as a building block but he's certainly a commodity, one that you don't part with unless the deal makes sense. He's young, has a very cap friendly contract and is a proven NBA player....AND he serves a valuable purpose at this moment in time (keeping Kyrie fresh in a shortened season).

If I were the GM, I'd ultimately take this years pick for Sessions and be happy but I'd really push for the future selection. Something like a 2015 pick. 3 years from now you could add a lottery selection to a team that, if everything goes well, should already be a very competitive young squad. It was the thinking that went in to the SacTown pick and is a good strategy for small market teams IMO.

I understand what you are saying but I don't think the Lakers are a team you do this with. They are always good. With our luck they'll get Dwight and CP3 and that 2015 pick will be the last pick in the 1st round.

If you try and get LA's and Dallas' #1s this year it gives you ammo to move up. With all the young talent we have, I would rather move up possibly into the lottery and take 1 guy rather than sit back and take 2 guys in the 20s.
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

I'm also wondering what kind of protection will be placed on the pick. There still is a (albeit very unlikely) scenario where some of their key players could go down with injuries and they plummet in the standings. The west is very tough this year.
 
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Sorry, gotta be "that" guy...

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(Have we done a safari for a pick(s)?)
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

which package would you prefer? (Hypothetical)

NYK trade: Iman Shumpert, Renaldo Balkman for Sessions
or
LAL trade: 2012 1st and 2nd (LAL) for Sessions
???
 
Re: *Lakers Update pg. 4* Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

which package would you prefer? (Hypothetical)

NYK trade: Iman Shumpert, Renaldo Balkman for Sessions
or
LAL trade: 2012 1st and 2nd (LAL) for Sessions
???

Who said Shumpert was available? I do the draft picks.
 

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