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Servers are servers. If they can dish out web pages and run the appropriate scripts you can put whatever you want on them. The problem occurs when you don't keep the software side up to date with security patches and methodology. For instance, it looks like HTTPS only dates back about 11 years. The PS3 may not actually retrieve web pages from the servers, but the concepts involved are much the same. A server listens and responds to requests. The biggest problem is if they invented their own protocols for talking to the PS3, they may have created security holes unique to their network that wouldn't be fixed by standard security updates.

Things like ... what happens if you type in a password too long? Well, the PS3 won't let you. But what if you hack your PS3 so it can? If the server code is written poorly it might overflow an array and crash the server. It the hacker is really clever he might actually replace part of the password with actual code that will end up getting run on the server and in effect allow the server to be taken over.

Albeit, if it was an inside job, the best way to cover that up and leave Sony scurrying would be to make it seem like it was externally hacked. Fact is the people who know best how to break a system are the ones who worked on it, or who have access to the source code.

I'm not going to pretend I know a damn thing about servers but if your servers sound like something you just pulled out of the janitors closet to serve its purpose then it just looks bad in principle.
 
While Sony might not shut down their games division, there's some validity to X's argument. Any developer working on a PS3 game now (especially a multi-platform game) that utilizes PSN could be thinking in the back of their head about this incident. Capcom has openly come out and said this outage is costing them money in DLC or game downloads. Dreamcast started this and then Xbox Live mastered online play and services for consoles and now Sony has to build up all their good will within the PSN again. From the start the PS3 has been a weird system because despite having more features, being more reliable, and being more powerful than its competition, it still trails or always runs into some problem right when things are getting good. This year really should be all about the PS3 with the games that are coming out but now it's about this mess.
 
First of all it's people with opinions like this that piss me off. Who cares? Umm well I do ffs. I bought a Playstation 3 copy of COD Black ops to play online. I certainly didn't buy it to play the campaign mode for a month and a half while I wait for PSN to come back on. If you don't understand that, then I must say I am happy you don't run a company. Your press release would be " oh don't bitch guys you can still watch movies!"

Wait, was that your only point? I figured there would be a second, and possibly a third, since you said "first of all..."

But that's the problem... you care. Sure, you bought Black Ops to play online and you can't right now. So what's the big deal? You're not going to have to pay another cent for the game; so as soon as PSN comes back online, you'll be right back at it, shooting up the nearest enemy while you are sitting behind a wall.

And another thing, what's wrong with playing campaign mode? Sure, people buy COD strictly for the MP, but at the same time they have a pretty good campaign mode. You should give it a try if you're itching to play it that badly. Hell, if nothing else, it will help you once you finally get in an online match.

One thing for sure with this whole incident is that Microsoft better make damn sure this never happens on Xbox Live because the fuss would be ten times worse. While most people are getting PSN and the ability to play their games online for free on PS3 or PSP, it might have been one of the major selling points for them and now that they can't play online the system might be useless depending on what they mainly use the system for. One of the selling points for me was the Blu-Ray player but most of my friends don't even own a single BR movie and solely play COD on PS3. Also what about the people who are paying for PSN Plus?

While Sony doesn't owe money to everyone except for the people who might have had their personal and credit card information stolen, they should owners something of value as a token of appreciation and in a way to thank the people for sticking with them during this inconvenience. If people want to be pissed I feel they have every right to be pissed but I also feel that the blame should be solely on the hackers. We should spend our time finding them and whooping their ass.

There is truth to this. But at the same time, they aren't paying for a monthly or yearly subscription, so it is costing them nothing. I don't foresee PSN being shut down for the rest of eternity, so really what it comes down to is how patient an individual is. If they can't wait a few weeks to play, so they have to run out and buy an Xbox, then so be it. But it's really not worth it. In the end, video games are just a form of entertainment, just like going to an Indians game, Cedar Point, or riding your bike would be. Thank God this isn't life or death.

I say shame on anyone who saved their credit card information on something that accesses the Internet :chuckles:

It's a lesson that was learned for those people. I'm thinking (hoping) that they will never do that again. I know I didn't, and the only thing these fucker hackers will get from me is my email address. They can spam me with emails if they'd like to, as I have G-mail and it blocks everything-spam. ;)
 
And another thing, what's wrong with playing campaign mode? Sure, people buy COD strictly for the MP, but at the same time they have a pretty good campaign mode. You should give it a try if you're itching to play it that badly. Hell, if nothing else, it will help you once you finally get in an online match.

Maybe it was subliminal, but I was looking for a game out of my pile to start playing and decided to give MW2 a shot. Campaign mode of course. I considered playing God of War 3 which is supposed to be awesome, but those games are always very click happy, and I didn't feel like subjecting my fingers to that quite yet.
 
From the start the PS3 has been a weird system because despite having more features, being more reliable, and being more powerful than its competition, it still trails or always runs into some problem right when things are getting good. This year really should be all about the PS3 with the games that are coming out but now it's about this mess.

It does? What were its "weird problem" in the past? The neat thing about the XBox is that it endures in spite of problems like the RROD.

IMO, the PS3's "problems" were that it came out a year after the Xbox 360, and when it came out it was priced at $600 due to the cost of the Blu-Ray player, and at the time the PS2 was still king of the hill, much cheaper, and had not yet completed its lifecycle. The pricing was actually very justifiable ... that is if you wanted a Blu-Ray movie player. At the time, the cheapest dedicated Blu-Ray player was selling for around $500.

The PS3's reception in Europe and Japan was very strong, so while the 360 has nearly twice the sales in the US, wordwide the numbers are almost dead even.

There were 50m PS3's sold worldwide compared to 53m Xbox's. A game developer would be a fool to drop support for either.
 
Playstation needs to charge for online. Plain and simple.
 
It does? What were its "weird problem" in the past? The neat thing about the XBox is that it endures in spite of problems like the RROD.

IMO, the PS3's "problems" were that it came out a year after the Xbox 360, and when it came out it was priced at $600 due to the cost of the Blu-Ray player, and at the time the PS2 was still king of the hill, much cheaper, and had not yet completed its lifecycle. The pricing was actually very justifiable ... that is if you wanted a Blu-Ray movie player. At the time, the cheapest dedicated Blu-Ray player was selling for around $500.

The PS3's reception in Europe and Japan was very strong, so while the 360 has nearly twice the sales in the US, wordwide the numbers are almost dead even.

There were 50m PS3's sold worldwide compared to 53m Xbox's. A game developer would be a fool to drop support for either.

Weird problems include:
-Initial price and arrogant attitude from Sony, eventually taking away backwards compatibility with PS2 games
-Lousy advertising that might have influenced the sales
-The lack of a killer-app exclusive for the first couple of years
-The Heavy Rain incident that deleted people's save files

There's probably a bunch I'm forgetting but Sony has done a poor job of handling this system at times and it should be at least ahead of the 360 worldwide. Yes the 360 does a year advantage but it didn't have an entry from its main franchise (Halo) until two years after the system launched. While I never inferred that developers should drop support for it, I feel that this whole fiasco will be in some developers' minds. Some developers won't care but after criticizing the PS3, launching a major game on the system the week the online system goes offline how eager do you think companies like Valve are to put another game on the PS3?

For the people who will go out and buy a 360 because of this, it's their money. I bought my PS3 shortly after Microsoft released the new 360 despite being stuck with a 20GB 360. They don't have to justify spending their money on a video game console (hell millions of people bought the Wii just for Wii Sports) and that doesn't make them an idiot.

As I stated earlier, a lot of quality games are coming out this year for the PS3 and this incident now overshadows some of these releases because Sony has to answer for what happened and build up the public's trust again. Hopefully PSN will be back up this week or next week and we can all get back to normalcy.

EDIT-
PlayStation Network has been down for more than three weeks, and publishers and developers have stated that they're losing money. What's not clear is what Sony's doing to compensate its partners. Sony wasn't willing to comment on that to IndustryGamers, but we've managed to obtain through one of our reliable industry sources, the exact letter that Rob Dyer, SVP of Publisher Relations, has sent out to publishing and development partners (see below).

Our source indicates that he just received it yesterday, and if that is indeed the first major communication to partners, it's pretty poor on Sony's part. Not only that, but the letter is barely a step above the lackluster communication Sony's had with its own customers. And there's no mention whatsoever in this letter that Sony has plans to help out or compensate its partners for the PSN downtime. Frankly, if we were working with Sony as a publishing or development partner right now, we'd expect a lot better than this.

If you're in the industry and have any further PSN insider info, we'd love to hear from you. Don't hesitate to contact us. Here's the full letter.

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Dear Partner:

As you know, certain PlayStation Network, Qriocity and Sony Online Entertainment service user account information was compromised in criminal attacks against our networks. I want to assure you, as a PlayStation partner, that it is Sony’s top priority to restore our network operations and see that business is returned to usual as soon as possible. We are working around the clock to restore service, but will do so only when we can ensure that the network can operate safely and securely. In the meantime, we greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill.

What Happened?

• On Tuesday, April 19, 2011, Sony discovered that several PlayStation Network servers unexpectedly rebooted themselves and that unplanned and unusual activity was taking place on the network. This activity triggered an immediate response.

• Sony mobilized a larger internal team to assist the investigation of the four suspect servers. That team discovered the first credible indications that an intruder had been in the PlayStation Network system, and six more servers were identified as possibly being compromised. Sony immediately decided to shut down all of the PlayStation Network services in order to prevent any additional damage.

• The scope and complexity of the investigation grew substantially as additional evidence about the attack developed.

• The forensic teams were able to confirm that intruders had used very sophisticated and aggressive techniques to obtain unauthorized access, hide their presence from system administrators and escalate privileges inside the servers. Among other things, the intruders deleted log files in order to hide the extent of their work and activity within the network.

• On Sunday May 1, using information uncovered by the forensic teams, engineers at Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) discovered that data had also been taken from their servers. They, too, shut down operations and on Monday, May 2, announced the discovery.

What Data Are Affected?

As you may know, personal data was stolen from approximately 77 million PlayStation network and Qriocity service accounts.

As of this writing, there remains no evidence that the credit card information was stolen and the major credit card companies are still reporting that they have not seen an increase in fraudulent transactions due to this event.

What Steps Are Being Taken?

We have taken aggressive action to give consumers peace of mind, protect them against the abuse of their data, and enhance our security systems moving forward.

We have already advised our consumers in the U.S. that we will offer complimentary identity theft protection services through a leading provider, including an insurance program of up to $1 million. Similar programs are being developed in other markets around the world.

In addition, Sony is taking a series of steps to enhance security of our network infrastructure. They include but are not limited to:

• adding additional automated software monitoring and configuration management to help defend against new attacks;

• enhanced levels of data protection and encryption, as well as additional penetration and vulnerability testing;

• enhanced capabilities to detect software intrusions within the network, unauthorized access and unusual activity patterns;

• implementation of additional firewalls;

• expediting a planned move of the system to a new data center in a different location with enhanced security; and

• appointment of a new Chief Information Security Officer.

Finally, to thank our customers for their patience and loyalty, we are offering them “welcome back” packages as soon as the networks are restored, including free downloads of selected PlayStation entertainment, 30 days of free service as well as service extensions for the number of days PSN and Qriocity services were unavailable, with similar benefits for Music Unlimited subscribers.

Looking Ahead

We of course deeply regret that this incident has occurred. We are working closely with the FBI to identify and apprehend the culprits who committed this crime against our consumers, our partners and our company. I know you can appreciate how widespread the problem of cybercrime is in society today. Although no company is immune, we are confident our consumer data will be protected by some of the best security measures available today.

As a valued partner we aim to keep the lines of communication open so that you are aware of our progress. Our focus has been to confirm the security of the networks, protect customer data and get the services back on line as quickly as possible. We will do our best to respond to all of your inquiries and we will do everything we possibly can to support you.

We are doing everything we can to bring these services back online as soon as possible. We will update you with more information as soon as we can, but please call your account executive if you have further questions. We thank you for your patience and look forward to moving ahead together in the months and years to come.



Very truly yours,

Rob Dyer

SVP, Publisher Relations

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/...r-sony-sent-to-publishing-partners-exclusive/

While some publishers might be affected by this outage more than others, wouldn't you expect for them to receive this basic information that has been provided to customers in small proportions over the last three weeks sometime before yesterday? In Sony's defense this could be an old letter though.
 
"-Initial price and arrogant attitude from Sony, eventually taking away backwards compatibility with PS2 games "

I already explained the initial price. It wasn't weird, just a reason why the platform took longer to be accepted as a game console. As a Blu-Ray player it was much appreciated. As for PS2 compatibility it was in there in there for the initial release, and even stuck around for the most part in the 80gb model I bought about a year after release. They took it out to cut costs because it required some dedicated chips, and not to mention, but if you really wanted to play PS2 games you could always just buy a PS2. I picked one up for $50.

"-Lousy advertising that might have influenced the sales "

I wouldn't know. I don't watch commercials. I didn't buy it because of commercials.

-The lack of a killer-app exclusive for the first couple of years

Resistance: Fall of Man came out with release; MotorStorm, MLB 07: The Show, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, and Ratchet and Clank: Future Tools of Destruction all came out in the first year. I don't get this criticism at all. These platforms don't live and breath on exclusive titles, they both after all run on variants of the same technology, but Sony has sponsored some terrific exclusives.

"-The Heavy Rain incident that deleted people's save files"

I never bought Heavy Rain. It sounded dumb.

"There's probably a bunch I'm forgetting but Sony has done a poor job of handling this system at times and it should be at least ahead of the 360 worldwide."

The PS3 is way ahead of the Xbox worldwide - that is if you exclude the US. Obviously Xbox has its own strengths and Microsoft has been very aggressive at keeping the entry price of the Xbox lower even if the thing had to be stripped down to the point of near uselessness.

"Yes the 360 does a year advantage but it didn't have an entry from its main franchise (Halo) until two years after the system launched."

Umm, basically everything released on the 360 during that first year was defacto exclusive. ;)

"Some developers won't care but after criticizing the PS3, launching a major game on the system the week the online system goes offline how eager do you think companies like Valve are to put another game on the PS3? "

It doesn't matter how pissed they are, the bean counters are going to ask if they can make money publishing on the console. If they can, then the bean counters will insist that the developers put their game on it.

And do keep in mind that Sony develops their consoles based on a 10 year life span, and Blu-Ray is still an expanding market and technology. Having 7x the storage space, after all, is only useful if the game developers come up with things to do with. 3D movies and games is something the PS3 can support and it only came out recently.

Now if you want to talk about weird decisions, what about Microsoft offering an external HD-DVD player accessory for the Xbox? ;) ... Not only do they pick a soon to be dead technology and fail to support high definition audio or address the loudness of their cooling fans, but there was no chance game developers were going to take advantage of a format that only a fraction of the base own.

A shame really, because one of the best parts of the PS3 is the toughness of the Blu Ray format. It's got a lot more layers of protection than a DVD disc and hence is a lot more durable and less likely to fail due to scratches. Even nasty looking used discs bought from gamestop clean right up with a microfiber.
 
Is anyone else getting text messages from odd numbers?
Mine started this morning. I'm thinking this has something to do with our personal info.
 
Is anyone else getting text messages from odd numbers?
Mine started this morning. I'm thinking this has something to do with our personal info.

I'm not, but that is weird as hell.
 
Is anyone else getting text messages from odd numbers?
Mine started this morning. I'm thinking this has something to do with our personal info.

No, but I don't normally give out my cell number.
 
I dont remember if i put a credit card on my PSN account or not.... i dont buy stuff of PSN, was their an option during registration to NOT put your credit card info in?

I would also like to know this. I dont remember putting in a card # but I rather be safe than sorry.
 
I would also like to know this. I dont remember putting in a card # but I rather be safe than sorry.

You didn't have to. If you ever DID use your card on the PSN store, you didn't have to save it.

So if you don't normally do so, I wouldn't imagine you did on this either.
 
It would be sweet if PSN would give us 2 free (ANY) games...
MW3 and BF3 :D
 

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