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And as I type that OSU just lost a thought-to-be-lock in WR (from Glenville) Cordale Scott to Illinois. That's a biggie since scout thought we had him in the bag.

Also this surprised me...Notre Dame has Scout.com's #1 recruiting class with 7 in the top 100 and 22 commits with 17 of those being at least a four star. Ohio State has 7 in the top 100, 16 commits and 11 of atleast four stars.
 
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the vast majority of players that go to michigan from Ohio are the ones that didnt get offers from OSU.

One person's trash is another's treasure. :chuckles:

Thats a bit over the top...

Ohio is a top 4 or 5 state nationally Talent wise...OSU cant get them all
and when the state next door michigan is in need of out of state recruting like they are you lose out on some Ohio kids...

2 Shawn Crable OLB Sr. 3V 6-5/245 Massillon, OH (Washington)
27 Brandon Harrison DB Jr. 2V 5-8/195 Dayton, OH (Chaminade-Julienne)
41 Zoltan Mesko P So. RS 6-4/242 Twinsburg, OH (Twinsburg)
43 Bryan Wright K So. RS 6-1/215 Salem, OH (Salem)
65 Justin Boren OL So. 1V 6-3/310 Pickerington, OH (Pickerington North)
83 Mike Massey TE Jr. 2V 6-4/229 Brecksville, OH (Cleveland St. Ignatius)
86 Mario Manningham WR Jr. 2V 6-0/186 Warren, OH (Warren G. Harding)


out of that list only brandon Harrison wasnt offered (other than Kickers but Kickers is a recruit by need situation and oen could argue that OSU didnt need them at that point)

Manningham, Massey, Boren and Crable were all kids that OSU wanted and didnt get.

manningham Boren and Crable would all be major players for OSU had they gone to Columbus...

Harrison was a ND comitt until they fired Willingham and then he switched over to UM but OSU never offered so he would fall under your category

but the vast majority is a bit of a reach
 
Thats a bit over the top...

Ohio is a top 4 or 5 state nationally Talent wise...OSU cant get them all
and when the state next door michigan is in need of out of state recruting like they are you lose out on some Ohio kids...

2 Shawn Crable OLB Sr. 3V 6-5/245 Massillon, OH (Washington)
27 Brandon Harrison DB Jr. 2V 5-8/195 Dayton, OH (Chaminade-Julienne)
41 Zoltan Mesko P So. RS 6-4/242 Twinsburg, OH (Twinsburg)
43 Bryan Wright K So. RS 6-1/215 Salem, OH (Salem)
65 Justin Boren OL So. 1V 6-3/310 Pickerington, OH (Pickerington North)
83 Mike Massey TE Jr. 2V 6-4/229 Brecksville, OH (Cleveland St. Ignatius)
86 Mario Manningham WR Jr. 2V 6-0/186 Warren, OH (Warren G. Harding)


out of that list only brandon Harrison wasnt offered (other than Kickers but Kickers is a recruit by need situation and oen could argue that OSU didnt need them at that point)

Manningham, Massey, Boren and Crable were all kids that OSU wanted and didnt get.

manningham Boren and Crable would all be major players for OSU had they gone to Columbus...

Harrison was a ND comitt until they fired Willingham and then he switched over to UM but OSU never offered so he would fall under your category

but the vast majority is a bit of a reach



Ill give yo manningham, who would have had a tough time starting for the bucks. Crable would not have played either.

I dont think your getting my point, the players in Ohio that the Bucks really want to get go to OSU.

You named a kicker and punter, come on bro.
 
Cavin not even I agree with you right now.

Manningham is one of the better WR's in college football. I'd imagine Crable would start - that's not a knock on Michigan that's due to OSU having a sold LB core in J Laur, Freeman and Grant. Probably, Crabe>Grant.

The only point I do agree with is that Ohio State has done a very, very good job of getting the top Ohio recruits to wear the scarlet and grey - mostly because many view suiting up Columbus a dream, and Tressel has been able to bring them home. But we don't get them all and often lose a top 100 player to that school up north. The reason we get more Ohio born guys is because Ohio is where football lives - period. I love that the majority of the roster is Ohio born, but it's not like we give Michigan the players we don't want, and vice versa. Gholston is from Detroit...(that hurt saying).

Also Tressel is one of the better coaches at recruiting K/P's, so I wouldn't surprised if we did go after those two.
 
Ill give yo manningham, who would have had a tough time starting for the bucks. Crable would not have played either.

I dont think your getting my point, the players in Ohio that the Bucks really want to get go to OSU.

You named a kicker and punter, come on bro.

Yes Crable would have played...

Manningham would NOT have a hard time starting over Brian Hardline


and if you can read I said that Punters and kickers dont count


you said that all the Ohio born players on UM squad were people that OSU didnt want

I gave you all the OHIO BORN PLAYRES AND PROVED THAT YOU WERE WRONG
 
Manningham would have started this year, his senior year. After 3 years on the bench.

I said the vast majority clown, learn how to read. You tell me to read and then shit on your head, did you go to um???

You gave an average linebacker that WOULDN'T START ON THIS TEAM NOR THE LAST 2 YEARS. He is not better than carpenter was, nor hawk, nor schelgel, nor grant or james.
 
OSU gets the vast majority of the Ohio kids they offer. Since JT came to town, every year they take 12 or so kids from Ohio, and they only lose an average of like 1 to 1.5. That's a very high percentage.

And as I type that OSU just lost a thought-to-be-lock in WR (from Glenville) Cordale Scott to Illinois. That's a biggie
Ummm, we have 8 scholarship WRs on the roster, not one of them are seniors, and 3 more WRs coming in the class of 2008. I think we'll be ok.


ESPN WR grades for the class of 2008 (higher is better):

Stoneburner 81
Posey 80
Thomas 80

Scott 78
 
espn recruting sucks although I agree Scott wasnt that big of a loss (bucks DID want him though, this is not a case of a no offer)....Zooker is a hell of a recruiter though

Crable would have started maybe not under the Hawk Schlegial and Carp line up but he would have started

same for Manningham...if you think Robiskie and hartline are better than Rio when he is 100% well you just arent looking hard enough

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As for all fo the assistants being fired....Horrible move IMO

BUT

when he was hired at WVU he fired his whole staff then rehired a few...We UM fans are holding out hope that this holds true...He did have a bit in his welcome PC that any staff kept would be RE_HIRED not retained so we hope this is the first step in re-hiring a few

if not the recruiting class will fall apart as well as parts of the team like Mallett transfer and Rio leaving for the NFL and things of that nature

we will see but I dont agree with this move so far
 
In the short-term, though, Michigan and its fans can go off and celebrate this hiring and all that it will supposedly bring to the program. But as they're drinking themselves giddy, no amount of alcohol can hide the fact that as of now, the only differences between themselves and Arkansas are geography and conference affiliation. And when their heads eventually clear, maybe then they'll awake to the reality of the permanent damage they've done to the school and its reputation.
http://www.swerbsblurbs.com/article_detail.php?blgId=2700&ref=STO
 

There are some good points in the article. Things I've talked about like his integrity and always looking for a new position. He does deserve some criticism for running out on his team, but, as Style and George have stated, Michigan is a better opportunity than WVU.

But, here lies the rub. Michigan shouldn't just be an opportunity...it should be a destination. At least, that is how Michigan should look at it. The fact that Rodriguez jumped at the first opportunity to "move up" should be a red flag that he will easily do it again...no matter what the cost (i.e. the $4 million buyout from WVU that he could have worked out to lower before he signed it. But, he didn't. And no one forced him to.

He is also right, in the respect that, the Michigan athletic department deserves criticism for the way they have behaved in their last 2 major hires. They used their clout to lure up and coming coaches from schools they consider of lower tiers. WVU was an easy target: recent success from young coaches in a "major" conference in the Big East; more history; more money; more recruiting clout; an aura...it's easy to see why they could take these guys from already respectable positions at another university. Michigan deserves as much criticism as Notre Dame took for ousting Ty Willingham after only 3 seasons, then giving Charlie Weis a huge contract, while using Willingham's recruits to pad his success. Now Weis ends up with a 3-9 record, with Karma kicking him in the ass.

There are points that I don't agree with, such as Michigan needing resurrected. They were 11-1 last season, and were an OSU loss away (a game which most considered the Natty, until Florida and USC derailed that logic in the bowl games) from reaching the National Championship. They were a top team at the beginning of this season, but were decimated by injuries, and a coach who knew that this was the end, and just didn't have his heart in it. They also lost 3/4 of the starting defense, and didn't retool that side of the ball very well.

The other point of contention, for me, is that a main reason he was hired was to attract Terrelle Pryor. And, while Pryor is obviously an attractive recruit, they already recruited a top QB in Mallett, and there is no guarantee that Pryor goes there, Rodriguez and the spread, or not. A mid-major might make a hire like that to get a top talent like Pryor, but schools like Michigan, USC, OSU, Florida, and ND can get 4 and 5 star recruits on their name, alone. They don't need to pull that tactic to try and attract a high school prospect, no matter how good he might be. Pryor does not guarantee a National Championship. They still need to recruit other players. Just ask Peyton Manning and the Tennessee Volunteers how that works out.

Aside from what I have stated previously about having no association with the university beforehand, another issue I have with the Rodriguez hire, though not mentioned in the article, but brought up by someone here, is the types of recruits he will attract. Rodriguez has already shown he can get talented recruits (Steve Slaton, Pat White), but they aren't always the best character guys (Pacman Jones, Chris Henry), nor do they show the best desire or heart (falling to Pitt with the National Championship game on the line). I could give 2 shits about how a player is rated out of high school. I want football players. Heady guys who know the game and have good character and great instincts. They can have all the talent in the world (Mike Vick, Pacman Jones), but if they don't have a brain to use it or good football instincts, then they are only going to be a fraction of the player that they could be. Talent only gets someone so far. Desire, heart, game IQ, and instincts get Championships. And, I'm not sure Rodriguez can find those players...he hasn't so far in his career.
 
That may just be the best counter argument you've given in this forum.

fair enough...

Im just tired of explaining UM stuff to buckeye fans... I live here in Columbus and everysingle person I know has come to talk shit to me about how Mallett isnt fast enough to be Pat White...

It is what it is...we wont know if this was great until 3 years from now...but what we UM fans do know is that we needed Change and we got it...that is a good start
 
fair enough...

Im just tired of explaining UM stuff to buckeye fans... I live here in Columbus and everysingle person I know has come to talk shit to me about how Mallett isnt fast enough to be Pat White...

It is what it is...we wont know if this was great until 3 years from now...but what we UM fans do know is that we needed Change and we got it...that is a good start

Change can be good, but not always.

Unfortunately, George, the odds are in favor that if Rodriguez is successful, he will be gone in 3 years. He is going to bolt for the first opportunity at a "better" position...i.e. the NFL. He has done absolutely nothing in his career to make me believe otherwise. He has been an opportunist from the get-go, steadily going after bigger, better, higher profile jobs. His ego has fueled much of his success...and movement. The only thing he has proven is that he is in it for himself, not the schools or his players. Bo, Moeller, and Carr were there to put the name of Michigan first, not them. Even Moeller, in his resignation, did so because it was best for the school, as opposed to someone like Tony LaRussa who did something similar and remains manager of the St. Louis Cardinals.

There is more to coaching in college than just the Xs and Os on the field. Rodriguez has proven...somewhat...that he can do that. What he hasn't done is prove that he is an honorable man of integrity...something a coach should earn before receiving the honor and title of Michigan Head Coach.
 

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