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Shanahan/Loggains Gone

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Fuck it, just hire Bernie. He was successful because of his football smarts, not athletic ability. Also I think he breaks down film better than just about anyone.

PS, I'm only being like 10% serious here, but if there aren't better choices I'd go Bernie over the freaking Bear's QB coach.
 
Hire anyone that will take the job.
 
Just like Norv Turner's bad breakup here? Purely coincidence, right?

Gotta love it when the owner tells the football lifer how to do his job. Kudos to Norv for telling Jimmy to fuck off right to his face. Though Shanahan's media efforts were legendary-- made Jimmy look like he got caught with his pants around his ankles.

Where is the Browns denial on this text message scandal? That's the first thing you learn in media training, no?

Shanahan's media efforts don't paint him in very good light, either. I think you're a bit too quick to jump to conclusions here as it's now been widely reported that Shanny was open to courtship for other OC roles before the season even ended. If that's the case, Browns management should move forward without him.
 
Little quick to jump the gun on Shanny being the culprit of media leaks, given that Dowell Loggains has shown to have the PR instincts of ISIS.
 
Little quick to jump the gun on Shanny being the culprit of media leaks, given that Dowell Loggains has shown to have the PR instincts of ISIS.

It's been reported that he has been the leak by Jay Glazer. I'm buying what Glazer says just about every time. Just like you're buying LaCanfora.

 
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I've finally got some time to start posting in here, and not just frantically masturbating to all of everyone's posts. Here's what I've gained from this whole thing.

1) Dowell Loggains looks like the love child of Patton Oswalt and a lesbian; not too mention his weird-ass name. No way someone like that would be a good QB coach, plus he was brought in by Banner.

2) I loved the Shanahan offense up until about the middle of the year; WRs running open downfield, RBs making smart cutbacks into nice sized holes, and Hoyer having nobody around him on bootleg rollouts. Regardless of NFL DCs finally figuring us out, or Shanny starting to suck, or Hoyer, or whatever....it was still cool to see.

3) Even though Kyle has a record of some success in the NFL, and Patton Clambake was lauded by Banner (and I believe Munchak during HC interviews), the fact is that he wasn't someone that Pettine really wanted. Also, Kyle/Loggains represent the last of the Banner/Lombardi regime, which I'm sure Haslam/Scheiner really want to distance themselves from.

4) Brad Childress, Norv Turner, and Kyle Shanahan have been the last three OCs for the Browns; it's not as if we are getting turds (as coordinators, at least).

5) Shanahan has now left three NFL teams with some degree of drama. Although the Cleveland Browns/dumpster fire is a softball take for everyone, let's not forget that Kyle shoulders some of the blame here.

6) Aside from the current OC guys being mentioned (Trestman, DeFellippo, etc), I am interested to see which openings take place as a result of this weekend's current playoff exits (BAL, DEN, DAL, CAR).
 
5) Shanahan has now left three NFL teams with some degree of drama. Although the Cleveland Browns/dumpster fire is a softball take for everyone, let's not forget that Kyle shoulders some of the blame here.

The story-line of dysfunctional Browns is too attractive; this has been forgotten.
 
It's been reported that he has been the leak by Jay Glazer. I'm buying what Glazer says just about every time. Just like you're buying LaCanfora.

Didn't see that, I'm not discounting anyone who actually provides credible info.
 
The story-line of dysfunctional Browns is too attractive; this has been forgotten.

I'm not so sure about that. I've read quite a few articles that point a pretty good size finger in his direction.

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up if his dad doesn't end up getting an HC gig somewhere. If you're an HC looking for an OC, Kyle's talent would be attractive, but worrying when/if the knife will come out has to be a concern.
 
While I know some people want the news of Shanahan leaking a story to somehow justify the current going on in Berea, there's absolutely no reason to believe this team isn't dysfunctional.

What I mean is, there's no reason Shanahan can't be looked at as a dickhead and right at the same time.
 
Shanahan's media efforts don't paint him in very good light, either. I think you're a bit too quick to jump to conclusions here as it's now been widely reported that Shanny was open to courtship for other OC roles before the season even ended. If that's the case, Browns management should move forward without him.

Pluto wrote that Shanahan was hoping to speak to Pettine before speaking to other teams but Pettine went on vacation and his return flight was canceled and missed the meeting. Then the media leak came out a day or two later and that was that. At that point, Haslam didn't have a choice but to let him walk. Not a good look for either side, to be honest, but it seems like Shanahan wanted to do it the right way from the beginning but his timeline was thrown off.

I just don't agree with people using Shanahan's past to justify his leaving. I mean, the only problem he had was in Washington, which is still a mess even though Shanahan isn't there anymore... one of the places possibly more dysfunctional than the Browns.

I guess my point is that Shanahan was a dick for getting out of his deal but I don't think it should be assumed he was toxic to the staff all year long, or didn't do a satisfactory job or wasn't committed to the team, which seems to be the conclusions many like to jump to just because of the way he left. For all intents and purposes the Browns really liked Shanahan, the players liked and respected him and the organization wanted to retain him. We haven't heard a peep about him all year long until he wanted out of his deal.

I think this team really needs a strong presence as the President of the organization. Pluto said Banner hired all of these guys (Farmer, et al.) with the understanding that they'd report to someone other than the owner and that's exactly what this organization needs. Someone to tell Jimmy to fuck off and let the football people do their jobs. And to tell Farmer to fuck off, stop being a puppet and do some evaluating in order to field the best team possible. And to tell Pettine and staff to fuck off and worry about managing the roster and calling the best game possible.
 
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Looks an awful lot like Shannahan was waiting on the Browns to hire Dan Quinn last year, and then settled for a temp-job.
 
Lost in the drama of Johnny Football, it has been reported that the Browns were close to announcing Dowell Loggains replacement as well as the Senior Offensive Advisor we have discussed:

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/...ch-helped-manziel-get-ready-last-years-draft/

One of Johnny Manziel’s mentors and biggest advocates from a year ago will be his position coach next season — assuming Manziel’s still with the Browns.

The Browns intend to hire Kevin O’Connell as quarterbacks coach, a league source confirmed Saturday to The Chronicle-Telegram. Fox Sports was first to report the news.

The Browns also plan to hire former Florida offensive coordinator Kurt Roper as senior offensive assistant.

O’Connell, 29, helped tutor Manziel before the draft last year. One of the projects was breaking down game film with Manziel during his time working with quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr.

O’Connell also has connections with coach Mike Pettine, new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and quarterback Brian Hoyer, who’s scheduled to become a free agent in March.

O’Connell was a third-round pick of the Patriots in 2008 out of San Diego State. He played in two games as a rookie, throwing six passes, then was beat out for the backup job the next season by Hoyer, an undrafted rookie.
O’Connell wound up with the Jets, where Pettine was defensive coordinator and DeFilippo coached the quarterbacks. He didn’t see any action in two seasons with New York.

O’Connell raved about Manziel before the Browns took him with the No. 22 pick in May.

“All the things that make (Tom) Brady and (Peyton) Manning special, Johnny Manziel is capable of doing those things,” O’Connell told CBS Houston radio in an interview last year.

“Now it is on him to continue to learn it and apply it to his game. Wherever Johnny goes I think he will be a great pro and I think he is going to work extremely hard to become the best possible player that he can be. I think the sky is the limit. The NFL has a funny way of allowing the cream to rise to the top no matter where you are picked.”

Manziel’s rookie season fell well short of O’Connell’s expectations. He didn’t beat out incumbent Hoyer in training camp, didn’t start until Week 15, then was a disaster.

He led one field-goal drive and threw two interceptions in six quarters as starter before injuring his hamstring. Manziel was 18-for-35 for 175 yards, two interceptions and a 42.0 rating. He rushed nine times for 29 yards. The Browns (7-9) lost both his starts.

His dedication to his profession was questioned repeatedly, capped by missing treatment for the hamstring the day before the season finale. He was partying the night before and didn’t wake up in time.

Pettine and owner Jimmy Haslam have labeled the quarterback situation “muddy” and have left all options open for improving it. But general manager Ray Farmer sounded inclined to give Manziel another shot when he talked after the season.

“I do think he can develop into a solid starter in this league,” Farmer said. “I think the sample size that’s available is small, and to that end we all have to be patient. I think there is an opportunity for the guy, it’s up to him to make those changes, but I think the talent is in his body to accomplish that.”

O’Connell hasn’t coached in the NFL but has worked as a private quarterback coach.

ESPN.com reported O’Connell’s work with Manziel didn’t hurt his candidacy, but the Browns didn’t consider it “a huge selling point.”

Roper spent one season with the Gators after six years at Duke. He hasn’t coached in the NFL.

Pettine has likely completed his staff following the addition of receivers coach Joker Phillips earlier in the week.

Pettine wanted to quickly fill the voids left after the departures of offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, receivers coach Mike McDaniel and quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains.
 

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