The Brian Hoyer thread...

[brownindian]

1.) Who cares you get reps and better by playing.

2.) Then why draft a player if you are afraid of what they can do?

3.) Yes we are in the playoff hunt and I have concluded (after the jacksonville game) we won't make the playoffs with Hoyer. Heck we won't win another game starting Hoyer.

4.) Hoyer has never been effective when teams took away his running game. Up to the Jacksonville game he had 6 TD passes and 1 Interception. Since 4 TDs and 7 interceptions. He doesn't give you the best chance to win anymore. Does Manziel? I don't know but I know Hoyer doesn't.

I think Manziel needs a whole season and should not be thrown into the fire. If we do lose with Manziel, we are left with a QB whose confidence (& trade value) is shot. Im no expert but I do think that the more reps ur starting QB gets with your first team the better it is for both of them.

 

[brownindian]

What he is getting at is breaking a rookie qb by playing him too early in bad circumstances. Manziel has shown flashes of pure talent but it is no secrety he had to catch up maturity wise and mentally.

Thank you. This is what i meant.

 

[BooyaCS]

Thank you. This is what i meant.

No but fans would rather throw away the season with Hoyer at QB.

Great lets go into next season on a 5 game losing streak because we are too afraid to start the rookie.

If Hoyer starts another game Pettine needs to be fired on the spot. He has started 3 weeks to many to begin with and right now we are tanking the season by keeping him in there.

Other teams have moved on and started rookie QBs but we are too afraid/conservative to do so.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Hoyer has been done since the Jax game. He is inaccurate, lacks arm strength and isn't mobile. He is a great backup or stopgap QB. Time to give Johnny his shot. Get his reps and get his feet wet for next year. I'm sure he will have some awful plays and drives, but let's see what we have got.

 

[Randolphkeys]

We are still in the hunt. It is silly to start Manziel now and use these few games to evaluate him. It neither does him nor us any good - esp if we go on to lose the next 3 or 4 with Manziel. Also I dont think there is any difference maker in next years QB class. Makes more sense to let Johnny have an entire season under him.

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

 

[Mr. Orange]

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

Keys, it was 70% and from the sound of this article, he will have hit it by playing most of today's snaps. I think his poor play over the last month had a lot more to do with it.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_browns_brian_hoyer_o_1.html

 

[Randolphkeys]

I was going off memory on the percentage... but as I said, its going to be close. Much will depend on how the team plays from this point forward. If they succeed under Manziel the rest of the season, Hoyer will possibly fall off from the required percentage. That is what I gleaned from the article earlier...

 

[AZ_]

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

Please go further into detail about how the team "responded to him."

 

[Randolphkeys]

Please go further into detail about how the team "responded to him."

The easy answer is to provide player quotes from the past... dozens of them... but the true test will be the future. Let's see how the team responds to Manziel in pressure situations in the coming few weeks.

 

[col63onel]

I think, barring injury, Hoyer has played his last snap as a Brown.

I think his overall body of work should be seen as a positive. Part of that is the humanistic side: a local kid leading the Browns into the playoff race, being the best QB since '99, the 4th quarter comebacks. He outperformed his contract, and he competently ran this offense so that the young skill players could grow. Manziel was able to sit and learn, and takes over a competent unit.

Hoyer was a journeyman UDFA who did much more to help this franchise than hurt it. Thanks for the memories, Brian!

 

[The Voice]

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

Haslam has shown his willingness to spend in fa. I doubt the 2 m has much to do with it. If farmer feels that Hoyer would put us in the playoffs, I'm sure he'd keep playing Hoyer. Playoffs = More revenue


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[spydy13]

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

We have played the easiest schedule in the league. Who knows what Johnny would have done in those first 12 games. Maybe we would have lost more, maybe we would have won more, but don't act like just because Hoyer went 7-5 that he was lighting the world on fire.

 

[AZ_]

Great lets go into next season on a 5 game losing streak because we are too afraid to start the rookie.

Hoyer has been terrible for three straight weeks, but this might be the most brutally bad take on the situation that I've seen thus far.

 

[EdMonix11]

A recent article I read showed that Hoyer was due a 2 million dollar bonus for taking 60% of the snaps this season. While he had around 8 rough quarters in a row, I thought the team still responded to him. The two pick offs and a few under thrown balls did him in. They were the moves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

But don't be surprised if he now just falls short of 60% of snaps this season. Dont be surprised when Manziel gets to play through more mistakes than Hoyer and they call it "development.". Don't be surprised if the record under Manziel is worse than the record under Hoyer.

There is little question in my mind financial motives were in play for Manziel to go in when he did.

The excuses you've made for this guy have been plentiful, so this doesn't surprise me, but Hoyer was benched due to his poor play....plain and simple.

 

[AZ_]

The easy answer is to provide player quotes from the past... dozens of them... but the true test will be the future. Let's see how the team responds to Manziel in pressure situations in the coming few weeks.

Yes, and I'm sure there will be bountiful cliche's necessitated to the media week after week that have the overall tone of support for Manziel should he be named the starter.

If we're going by quotes to the media, the team has also responded admirably to the wide receivers and the running game as well.

But I've got to say, blaming financial circumstance and putting the onus on the organization without actually taking the time to research it might be a new low for this thread.