First of all, b00bie asked for opinions on a subjective top 10. If you don't want to read my opinion, move along because its subjective. Second, I'm not ready to guy Newton as a pocket passer yet. With his rib injury, I think the way he plays the game and his own physical limits are forcing him to play differently this year. I compared Romo to Newton, not Hoyer. He has also been banged up for a few years and ownership is talking about drafting a QB to take over for him. I've never been overly impressed, and now he might be damaged goods.
Come on Keys, of course our personal QB rankings are going to be subjective. I didn't say yours weren't worth reading, I disagreed with the premise there's only 10 QBs who have achieved enough to say they're better than Hoyer, that number is close to twice that for me.
I'd agree Newton is playing slightly different this year, but what physical limitations are you talking about? Cam Newton is the most physically gifted QB in the entire NFL, and I don't even think it's close. His sore ribs might be making him hesitant to run this year, but he's actually looked better as a passer than he's ever looked before.
And I apologize for misreading the Romo/Newton comparison, but then again Tony Romo has never been a running QB. He's got a good pocket presence to evade rushers and has a knack of extending plays with his legs, he's more Big Ben than Cam Newton in that regard. And to say Romo hasn't won anything is wrong, he's played eight seasons in the league and has only had a losing record in one of them. In his first full season as the starter the Cowboys went 13-3 with Romo throwing for 4,200 yards and 36 TDs, that's somehow not as impressive as the 7 games Hoyer's submitted as a Brown?
And in what world is Tony Romo downgraded for being damaged goods and the Cowboys
looking at QBs in the draft? Hoyer's the one coming off a torn ACL, and his front office not only talked about drafting a QB over him, they actually drafted a QB in the first round.
Your opinions are subjective. Enjoy them. I said there is a third tier and I'm starting to believe Hoyer belongs in it somewhere... maybe not at the top of it, maybe not at the bottom of it. But I am open to him moving to the top of it if the Browns just made it through the toughest part of their schedule.
Well, this is different than what you said earlier (when you put at the top), but I can at least agree with it. If Hoyer can continue his mistake free play and the Browns' offense keeps performing at its current level I'd put him around 15-19, but I'd still have a hard time calling him a better QB than guys like Tony Romo and Cam Newton.
You won't get any fight out of me about Colin Kaepernick though, he's easily held the title of most overrated player in the NFL since he destroyed the 15-1 Packers at Lambeau in the 2012 playoffs. Minimal improvements as a passer, sloppy footwork, and he still routinely makes boneheaded decisions when he's forced to make plays from the pocket.
