The Brian Hoyer thread...

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

You know a player is doing well when a thread dedicated to him turns into a conversation about where to get the best sandwiches

 

[Noonan]

For the pff lovers:

Hoyer gets plenty of credit for this stat, but to me this is all about Shanahan's scheme. His run game is grinding opponents down and it's setting up a pass game that has guys running around wide open.

Browns are leading the league in big plays without having a big play threat. Shanahan for MVP.

 

[SixPACK]

Reporters are fucking stupid.

The Browns are getting some love and praise and they have to shoot Hoyer right back down and ask him literally 3-4 times after he said he isn't going to answer if he will stay long-term if Manziel is here, his contract, etc....Let him focus on the damn game instead of contract talks.

Oh, sorry..to get back on the real topic...

 

[MoFlo]

Hoyer gets plenty of credit for this stat, but to me this is all about Shanahan's scheme. His run game is grinding opponents down and it's setting up a pass game that has guys running around wide open.

Browns are leading the league in big plays without having a big play threat. Shanahan for MVP.

The QB still has to make the throws & convert.

Not trying to downplay what Shanahan has done for this offense, but people before were saying "don't show me normal stats, I go by PFF 1st" (paraphrasing). That's why I posted that..

Wasn't trying to say Hoyer's becoming an elite QB or that he's more than he is or that Shanahan/OL/RB aren't a big part of the success in the least bit.

 

[godfather]

Didn't RG3 run him out, too? It looks like it was an RG3 problem more than Shanahan.

He's just not that good and needed the coaching staff to throw under the bus.

 

[EdMonix11]

The QB still has to make the throws & convert.

Not trying to downplay what Shanahan has done for this offense, but people before were saying "don't show me normal stats, I go by PFF 1st" (paraphrasing). That's why I posted that..

Wasn't trying to say Hoyer's becoming an elite QB or that he's more than he is or that Shanahan/OL/RB aren't a big part of the success in the least bit.

Well, since this is a shot at me specifically because I was the one who said I didn't like the QBR stat and preferred the PFF stats, I guess I'll explain.

I was just trying to give more credit to our league-best OL, dominant rushing game and surprising group of receivers while tempering the Hoyer hype a little bit. He's been great, no doubt, I love how he's performing, but this offense has been successful because of the entire offensive unit and that gets lost in all this hysteria. I just tend to think PFF represents individual contributions a little more accurately.

 

[Maximus]

Anyone track the fastest QB release stat? I can't help but think that is a big factor in our lines success. Plug Weeden back in these first 5 games and our line probably isn't ranked number 1. The line deserves a ton of credit, as does Shanahan and our skill players. But having a cerebral QB that makes quick decisions and doesn't hold the ball really makes their life easier. Everything on the offense is really fitting together nicely. With Cameron getting back to form and Gordon returning in a few weeks we may have something special on that side of the ball if we can stay reasonably healthy.

 

[Tornicade]

Anyone track the fastest QB release stat? I can't help but think that is a big factor in our lines success. Plug Weeden back in these first 5 games and our line probably isn't ranked number 1. The line deserves a ton of credit, as does Shanahan and our skill players. But having a cerebral QB that makes quick decisions and doesn't hold the ball really makes their life easier. Everything on the offense is really fitting together nicely. With Cameron getting back to form and Gordon returning in a few weeks we may have something special on that side of the ball if we can stay reasonably healthy.

The line is using a zone blocking screen that has been succesfult with multiple quarterbacks and have served both Gary Kubiak and Shanhan pretty well.

The blocking scheme has opened up the running game and has allowed for the play action to be effective.. this actually gives more time for the QB to throw the ball.

A quick release will lessen the odds of getting sacked. and expose gaps in coverage. it will not open up the running game. Teams keying on hoyer allowing the run game to thrive is a faulty premise.. its more of the opposite.. Hoyer is going for 15 yard passes now in over 28% of his attempts.. this means he has more time in the pocket and can be attributed to his increasing yards per catch average.

Brown had problems with Weedon being indecisive and slow to release the ball but that did not make them look like a poor line.. they didnt look too good when hoyer was at the helm either. unblocked or poorly blocked people is what makes an offensive line looks bad.

 

[godfather]

The line is using a zone blocking screen that has been succesfult with multiple quarterbacks and have served both Gary Kubiak and Shanhan pretty well.

The blocking scheme has opened up the running game and has allowed for the play action to be effective.. this actually gives more time for the QB to throw the ball.

A quick release will lessen the odds of getting sacked. and expose gaps in coverage. it will not open up the running game. Teams keying on hoyer allowing the run game to thrive is a faulty premise.. its more of the opposite.. Hoyer is going for 15 yard passes now in over 28% of his attempts.. this means he has more time in the pocket and can be attributed to his increasing yards per catch average.

Brown had problems with Weedon being indecisive and slow to release the ball but that did not make them look like a poor line.. they didnt look too good when hoyer was at the helm either. unblocked or poorly blocked people is what makes an offensive line looks bad.

The line is better than last year, but Hoyer definitely gets rid of the ball faster. Weeden would make any line look horrible.

I saw him literally running out of the pocket, numerous times last year, even when we were blocking well and he didn't need to.

Hoyer goes through his progressions fast, I don't see him holding the bald very often.
A few times he was given the chance to do so, because the line was blocking very well, but mostly the ball is snapped, and out of his hand.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

It's a combo of both line play and Hoyer. He has one of the quickest releases in football. He was leading the league in that stat last year before the injury. Second in this stat? Tom Brady.

I'm not sure where he ranks this season, but I'm sure it's one of the best in the NFL.

Couple that with the zone blocking and an effective running game, all of a sudden you have a potent offense. Even without top shelf receivers.

 

[Tornicade]

The line is better than last year, but Hoyer definitely gets rid of the ball faster. Weeden would make any line look horrible.

I saw him literally running out of the pocket, numerous times last year, even when we were blocking well and he didn't need to.

Hoyer goes through his progressions fast, I don't see him holding the bald very often.
A few times he was given the chance to do so, because the line was blocking very well, but mostly the ball is snapped, and out of his hand.

This wasnt the discussion. the discussion was whether hoyers release made the running game better. it doesnt and thats what i said. nowhere did i say or imply anything that you seem to be refuting. nowhere did i imply or say anything about hoyers and weedons releases except the line looked bad with both.

 

[CleveRocks]

You know a player is doing well when a thread dedicated to him turns into a conversation about where to get the best sandwiches

Grumm's Subs. Just sayin...

 

[JMcCurry08]

I had to delete twitter....people are comparing him to Derek Anderson, Matt Flynn and Kirk Cousins already today

 

[The Voice]

Anyone track the fastest QB release stat? I can't help but think that is a big factor in our lines success. Plug Weeden back in these first 5 games and our line probably isn't ranked number 1. The line deserves a ton of credit, as does Shanahan and our skill players. But having a cerebral QB that makes quick decisions and doesn't hold the ball really makes their life easier. Everything on the offense is really fitting together nicely. With Cameron getting back to form and Gordon returning in a few weeks we may have something special on that side of the ball if we can stay reasonably healthy.

I'll agree with that a little, but there were also plays where it seemed like Hoyer had all day to throw during the course of the steelers game.


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[Ocelot]

I'll agree with that a little, but there were also plays where it seemed like Hoyer had all day to throw during the course of the steelers game.

Early in the Steelers game before the run had really been established Hoyer was definitely holding the ball for quite awhile and seemed to be getting close to 10 seconds to throw (didn't actually count, just seemed like a long time). With the plays and play calling that Shanahan has shown so far this season I'm a little worried about what happens to the offense if for some reason the running game doesn't show up one week.