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billmac91 said:
Hoyer's ball was damn impressive last night. Some of the slow-mo replays from reverse angle really showed how his ball was tight and cutting through the wind.

You compare Hoyer's ball to Dalton's and it's embarrassing. Dalton's ball was nose up all night immediately out of his hand. Nearly every ball Dalton threw was severely impacted by the wind. Not only is it an arm-strength issue, but it's a release point issue as well.

I give Hoyer more credit for his arm and mechanics now more than ever before. I knew his arm talent was decent, but not to the level he proved last night. I'm really happy for Brian and hope he continues his solid play...the city and he deserve it.
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I think some credit should go to the playcalling as well.

The Bengals seemed determined to throw the ball to the outside at the intermediate level. That requires Dalton to fight the wind more than Hoyer did, because the Browns were constantly attacking the middle of the field at the intermediate level.

Hoyer killed them at least 5-6 times across the middle where he could let it rip with less worry about the weather.

Dalton was throwing up butterflies all night, Hoyer managed the weather well and kept it short and intermediate over the middle.
 
AZ_ said:
I think some credit should go to the playcalling as well.

The Bengals seemed determined to throw the ball to the outside at the intermediate level. That requires Dalton to fight the wind more than Hoyer did, because the Browns were constantly attacking the middle of the field at the intermediate level.

Hoyer killed them at least 5-6 times across the middle where he could let it rip with less worry about the weather.

Dalton was throwing up butterflies all night, Hoyer managed the weather well and kept it short and intermediate over the middle.
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I think that's fair analysis. Especially in regards to Hoyer ripping quick slants. In regards to Dalton though, guy was over-throwing 7 yard safety-valve dump-offs to TE's like no one's business. It wasn't just inaccuracy, but the immediate impact of wind on his throws. The wind destroyed nearly every throw he had whether it was a seam route, quick out, or deep ball. It was atrocious to watch. I definitely appreciate the fact that Hoyer took a lot of touch off his throws last night, and that the game-plan seemed to phase out a lot of those plays. Even his throws to TE's down-field on misdirection were drilled into the target rather than the normal lob down-field. It's just nice Hoyer can change speeds if need be based on weather, because Dalton clearly can't. Dalton's fastball is still a change-up compared to most NFL QB's.
 
I think wind was a factor, but I also think Andy Dalton is having serious confidence issues right now. These guys are at a level where they know how to manage weather conditions when they're in their fourth year in a bad-weather city.

For as much as he got paid, there is a ton of doubt about him in Cincy and it's really easy to see why. Watch him every other week and you'll see that for each solid game he has, he'll lay a complete egg a week or two later.

He lost his receivers last night and it's not the first time it's happened. Don't be shocked when we see some anonymous reports that he's lost the confidence of the team
 
bob2the2nd said:
final line from hoyer 15-23 for 198 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 92 QB rating.

i have absolutely 0 doubt the advanced stats will show this as a negative game for hoyer. despite the fact that he was clearly one of the reasons the browns run (that and the borwns defense)
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Actually, he graded out as a +2.6 on PFF. Second best game of the year (next to Pitt).

For reference, Dalton was a -6.2 and Marshall Newhouse was a -4.6
 
Anyone in this thread an Iggy alumni and is willing to admit a bias because of it?

Just curious. I'm content with a winning QB and am enjoying the ride. Not trying to get caught up in 'the future of the position' and 'long term answers'. Not sure when the beggars became choosers around here.
 
Like I mentioned @Randolphkeys, I'm enjoying winning and the role Hoyer has played in our successes. I think he's our best option.

I think bias has nothing to do with right/wrong/true/false (you can feel and exhibit bias while being right or wrong). I was just wondering if the Ignatius connection was an element of how strongly some folks feel about Hoyer. I could sense that might be the case with some posters and was hoping a few might be willing to validate that notion - thanks for raising your hand.
 
ZooCrewDude said:
Like I mentioned @Randolphkeys, I'm enjoying winning and the role Hoyer has played in our successes. I think he's our best option.

I think bias has nothing to do with right/wrong/true/false (you can feel and exhibit bias while being right or wrong). I was just wondering if the Ignatius connection was an element of how strongly some folks feel about Hoyer. I could sense that might be the case with some posters and was hoping a few might be willing to validate that notion - thanks for raising your hand.
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I graduated from Ignatius in 1982. Went there after Cathedral Latin was closed and sold to the Cleveland Clinic so they could expand their parking.

The fact that Brian Hoyer also graduated from Ignatius is irrelevant when grading his performance.

He is performing well and leading the team in a new offense. Manziel is benefitting from riding the pine and learning.

I am glad the Browns are 6-3.

The fact that Brian Hoyer is from Cleveland (North Royalton) is more important to me than graduating from Ignatius.

People from Cleveland are generally smart, funny and kind.

My sweeping generalization for the day.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/po...yan-mallett-battle-of-brady-backups-commences

Brian Hoyer vs. Ryan Mallett: Battle of Brady Backups commences
November, 11, 2014
By Jeremy Fowler | ESPN.com

BEREA, Ohio -- Poise vs. promise.

Manager vs. maverick.

Brady vs. Brady.

Sunday in Cleveland will be the Battle of the Brady Backups as Cleveland Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer and Houston Texans quarterback Ryan Mallett face off.

Both came from different paths. Hoyer was undrafted and Mallett was a third-round pick. Both are in very different spots, with Hoyer going 8-3 as a Cleveland starter and Mallett readying for his debut.

But the common thread is New England, where both played for three years, overlapping in 2011. Both had to wait until their mid-20s for extended NFL action.

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Hoyer wins with patience and decision-making. Mallett has the big arm but must prove he can do the two things Hoyer does.

Even Bill Belichick, who's as sentimental to the media as a Home Depot gift card, is happy for these dudes.

“Both of those guys worked really hard here,” Belichick said. “Both did a good job for us. A lot of respect for both of them. A personal liking for both guys.”

Then Belichick was onto Indianapolis, the Patriots’ opponent this week. And we’re on to a Tale of the Tape. Which former Brady backup is poised for the most success, both Sunday and in the future? (With help from an NFC personnel exec.)

Poise: Advantage Hoyer. This is his thing. Pretty simple choice until Mallett proves otherwise.

Potential: Advantage Mallett. He had first-round potential in 2011 and was eventually traded. Obviously Hoyer has long-term potential, too, but the Texans can’t give up on Mallett’s value.

Huddle command: Advantage Hoyer. Character was a concern for Mallett out of Arkansas, and though some of that might’ve been overblown, he needs time to show he can lead a huddle. Hoyer is a good locker-room guy and has no problems in this area.

Arm strength: Advantage Mallett. This is his thing. Hoyer throws a tight spiral but doesn’t have the prototypical arm strength of Mallett, though that can be overplayed (see: Cutler, Jay).

Pedigree: Tie. Both learned from Brady for three years, and former draft status is irrelevant to 2014. Both have starting jobs.

Supporting cast: Advantage Mallett. This is a close one, but Arian Foster, Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins provide a formidable backstop for any quarterback.

Accuracy: Advantage Hoyer. Hoyer is more accurate this season (58.5 completion percentage) than Mallett was in three years of college (57.8). Mallett might take more shots downfield, but Hoyer will complete more passes.

Personnel exec’s take: Advantage Hoyer. According to an NFC personnel executive who’s scouted both players: “I like Hoyer much better. Mallett has more arm talent than Hoyer, but Hoyer is a better decision-maker. [Mallett] not good with decision-making. Tries to muscle the ball because he knows he has the arm. Hoyer needs talent around him, but I would pick Hoyer.”



http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/11/tom-brady-to-keep-tabs-on-hoyer-mallett-matchup-sunday/


Tom Brady to keep tabs on Hoyer-Mallett matchup Sunday
Posted on November 12, 2014 | By Dale Robertson

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said it’s “pretty cool” that his former backups, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett, will be squaring off Sunday in Cleveland. Because New England plays Indianapolis Sunday night, Brady predicted many of the Patriots will keep a close eye on the Texans-Browns game.
“It speaks to their work ethic, what they’ve been able to accomplish,” Brady said. “They’ve both overcome quite a bit in their career, so it will be fun to see. We play at 8 o’clock, so I’m sure a lot of guys from our team will be paying attention.”
The undrafted Hoyer played behind Brady from 2009 through 2011, the year the Patriots took Mallett in the third round. Hoyer kept the backup job that season, relegating Mallett to the practice squad except for one game, but coach Bill Belichick and his quarterbacks coach, now Texans head coach Bill O’Brien, thought enough of Mallett to let Hoyer leave through free agency.
Mallett was No. 2 behind Brady in 2012 and 2013 before being traded to the Texans after the preseason this year. Hoyer spent a season at Arizona before signing with Cleveland. He started three games — all victories — last season before suffering a knee injury but returned this summer to beat out Johnny Manziel for the starting job. Behind him, the Browns are 6-3.
 
The only thing I kind of disagree with is Supporting Cast. Yes, they do have Foster, which trumps our RB's (even though I really don't mind having our 3, always have fresh legs in)

But Johnson/Hopkins over us? Hopkins is doing above average but Johnson has been a pile of dicks this year. Hawkins/Cameron/our 2 deep threats in Benjamin/Gabriel. I know they aren't counting Gordon, but when he comes back too.

Counting everyone, I would take CLE supporting cast over Houston's.
 
I don't think they were counting Cameron or Gordon. J.Cam is still going through protocols. As the national media said last week: aside from Hoyer and Thomas, they don't know much about the offense.
 
SixPACK said:
The only thing I kind of disagree with is Supporting Cast. Yes, they do have Foster, which trumps our RB's (even though I really don't mind having our 3, always have fresh legs in)

But Johnson/Hopkins over us? Hopkins is doing above average but Johnson has been a pile of dicks this year. Hawkins/Cameron/our 2 deep threats in Benjamin/Gabriel. I know they aren't counting Gordon, but when he comes back too.

Counting everyone, I would take CLE supporting cast over Houston's.
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See, I kind of disagreed that it was considered "close." Hawkins is reliable and Gabriel has been a surprise, but overall (when healthy) Johnson has been a big contributor and Hopkins is having a great year. Arian is still phenomenal and that is not to be understated.

If we are full tilt and fully healthy with Cameron, Gordon, and Mack - yes, I give us the obvious edge.

Right now, I think Houston has us.
 
Ryan Mallett looks like he should be slangin' meth with Jesse Pinkman and not starting at QB for an NFL franchise.
 
Is mallet legit? That's the biggest question, if he's not it doesn't matter who has the edge.

You could argue the bengals pretty much had the edge on a lot of key positions, but their QB played like dog shit.


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